What do you call a program that gets loaded in surreptitiously and without your approval, has the potential to lock down your computer so you can’t get access to it, takes up significant system resources and promptly crashes upon running. Normally, I’d call it a virus, except for the last part … viruses are usually stable (and well written) once they start. On the other hand, it’s a perfect description of Internet Explorer 7.0.
I am a programmer dealing with client-side development, which means that, like it or not, I spend a great deal of time in Windows, because that’s where my users are. Given the nature of Windows, I am also forced to keep Microsoft’s Auto-Update feature active, because without it I can’t receive the dozens of weekly patches necessary to keep the system stable in the face of bad programming decisions made by Microsoft over the years. However, I was more than a little bit peeved to discover that Microsoft seemed to consider Internet Explorer 7 a “necessary patch”, rather than giving me the decision to choose to install it.
On November 1, the world over, people will boot up their Windows system and discover that mysteriously IE6 has gone the way of the dodo and IE7 is now the designated heir apparent. Of course, this assumes that in the process of booting up their system they don’t run afoul of the Validation feature, which presumably goes in and checks with the mother ship that the Windows that people are running is in fact legitimate. I don’t know the fate of those who don’t, though I can see significant swathes of business throughout the world suddenly in the dark because the copy of Windows they THOUGHT they were legitimately buying proved to be bootlegged.
Of course, if that wasn’t bad enough, I then get to sit through the install process itself, which features the increasingly common we’re-doing-something-in-the-background “cylon” bar that only tells me that Internet Explorer Core Components are being installed. At no point can you say “No, don’t install this, I’m still developing my app for backwards compatibility with Internet Explorer 6!”. At no point can you say “Hey, I really don’t LIKE Internet Explorer taking up resources on my system and I spent the requisite six hours deep in the bowels of the registry trying to extricate the LAST version of IE, so don’t install this!” At no point can you say “Wait, we haven’t properly tested this in our enterprise setup to insure that the applications we have spent YEARS developing will actually work in your stupid browser!”
Nope, you WILL install Internet Explorer 7, we won’t tell you what’s going on in the background even as we do, and we won’t even bother to show you a simple progress bar that indicates how far to perdition you’ve actually gone. We are Microsoft and you aren’t. So there.
Perhaps I wouldn’t have reached the point of ranting about this issue, save for the simple fact that after this whole process had completed, and I, begrudgingly, double clicked on the Internet Explorer “e” icon, the browser opened up, showed the default installation page, then promptly crashed.
I am writing this in Firefox 1.5. I’ll be upgrading to Firefox 2.0 in a week or so when the XForms extension is completed for it and I can finish my development there. FF1.5 does occasionally crash, usually at 3am after I’ve been extensively programming and have left all kinds of interesting things hang in the environment. As a developer, you expect crashes - if you don’t get them you’re not pushing the envelope enough, but you generally expect that such crashes are due directly to something you did. I like Firefox. I like Opera 9, which to me is a fine-jeweled watch that’s a wonder to work with. I’m even beginning to like Konqueror when I can escape outside of Windows land and play in my Linus sandbox.
I don’t know about IE7 - I’m afraid to start it up again for fear that it will corrupt my system.
Kurt Cagle is an author, software developer and technology analyst, and is the Chief Consultant for Metaphorical Web, in Victoria, British Columbia.


What about ability to disable IE7 installation?
It crashed on me on first startup. I noticed it was trying to go to some welcome to IE7 page. After the first attempt, things where back to normal... Well, I had the beta(s)...
Ummm.... installed it last week. So far so good. I don't like that it hides the Blaxxun menus now but otherwise, it seems to be running fine under Windows XP with the latest Server Pack.
OTOH, all I am doing on this machine is writing VRML at the moment. I'm sure it has dutifully called the Powers that Be and reported my surfing habits, my SSN and the phone number of my taxidermist, but that's ok. If Redmond wants to know how evil I am, they can call my daughter. She'll spill the beans faster than my 56k dialup.
IE7 has been in beta for a long time; if you as a developer haven't begun to take steps to accommodate the biggest platform change to happen in years, then you've got no room for complaint.
The automatic upgrade has been announced for weeks. Posted with that announcement was instructions for blocking it's install at the corporate level.
Hey, sure I'm not the first, so pls discard if this has already been mentioned (my home computer limps along under XP as it is, and I think IE7 would be the final nail in its coffin, so thx!):
http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/5046
I was also amazed when during the install of IE 7, it told me to close all other programs and *back up all important data*!
This is a web browser right? It's just a web browser.
That leads me to think that any security hardening they do to the browser will be welcome, though it will probably remain inherently vulnerable because of its ties to the operating system. I wonder if there are elements within Microsoft who would have preferred to keep it a separate entity.
I know that it's nice actually to be running Windows for some tests, but it's much easier to test multiple MSIE versions in Linux by installing ies4linux:
http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page
It sets up three separate Wine environments, one for MSIE 5, one for MSIE 5.5, and one for MSIE 6 (I don't think MSIE 7 works in Wine yet). The Flash plugin is preinstalled for each of them, and they can all be open on the screen at once. There's no font antialiasing, but I can live with that.
Must IE7 be installed automatically, or not ?
Pros : IE7 fixes lots of bugs and improves dramatically the support of CSS, so the faster users adopts it, the faster we developers can create cross-browser websites.
Cons : IE6 will still have a important userbase (considering Win98-2K-XP SP1, max 20%), so we must make sure that our site still works under it.
The main problem here I think is that IE is too embed into the OS, running a standalone version of IE is not stable... I wouldn't care if IE7 installs automatically, as long as IE6 may still be runned. Official Microsoft response ? Use Virtual PC, and run another XP installation with IE6. But it makes testing more difficult of course.
C'mon Kurt... you usually write better stuff than this FUD.
Amen. How do we uninstall it?
Enough with the ranting, your attitude is getting to me!!!! Get back to useful stuff.
Thats why the firefox juggernaut keeps on growing :)
1 word sums up ie7 RUBBISH
I'm not going to attack your experience with Internet Explorer 7, because it's your experience after all, and nothing I say will change that. Not to mention that I hate the browser, no matter which version we're talking about, so it's just nice to see that I'm not in this boat alone.
However, there was something you could do to prevent the automatic Internet Explorer installation. You could have, prior to the automatic update, installed a little utility called "Internet Explorer 7 Blocker Toolkit", that would block the IE installation:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=4516A6F7-5D44-482B-9DBD-869B4A90159C&displaylang=en
What you can do now, is uninstall it completely in add/remove programs. However, an even smarter move is to re-install Internet Explorer 6 with the wonderful, stand-alone, downloadable package from Evolt.org:
http://browsers.evolt.org/download.php?/ie/32bit/standalone/ie6eolas_nt.zip
Come on, Kurt! Just drink the Kool-Aid. You'll like it. Seriously, though, you raise very strong points, particularly around needing to keep previous version(s) of IE around and MS forcing the upgrade. I'll have to boot my laptop into Winders and see if it forces upgrade to IE7.
How exactly does IE7 load without your approval? Last time I checked, it runs when you open it and stop running when you close it.
If it were true that it took "significant" amounts of resources (which is actually false when compared to, for example *cough* Firefox, see this page), and if it were true that it crashed upon running (
Maybe if you checked your computer for real viruses or spyware from time to time, you wouldn't experience crashes. So before you blame it all on Microsoft, check your own system.
Why don't you call Windows, or better yet Linux
Just exactly my thoughts... :-(
Yes Kurt !! though you sound curt, you are absolutely right. I too have had very bad experiences with IE7. Some Ajax applications don't feature that well on the new IE. Also, my corporate web mail provider, uses the Outlook activex component and this causes IE7 to crash. Talk about incompatibility, this should be the mother of all !! -- Santu !!
If you were smart enough, you would of disabled auto-update and always do manual updates like I do. This way you can control what gets installed.
There's a reason why you're forced to develop in M$ and not in your Linus sandbox. It pays the bills quit whining.
I stopped reading this article after reading this bit..
"I am also forced to keep Microsoft's Auto-Update feature active, because without it I can't receive the dozens of weekly patches necessary to keep the system stable in the face of bad programming decisions made by Microsoft over the years."
MS only releases patches once and month and rarely is it in the dozens.. Therefore, your argument has no merrit. You must be the best developer in the world not to make any mistakes of your own.
Oh, I did just read the last line in your post.. Are you a baby, or just full of exaduration?
Yeap.
This must be one of the lamest articles ever. First you acknowledge that you needs IE on your machine because of your user base. But immediately after that you want to prevent its installation? Aren't you supposed to go with your users (that will also have IE7 installed).
Then, you complain about lack of technical information of what's going on during the install. Well, do you really want your users to be scared with tons of log messages running across the screen when IE7 is installed? Do you really hate your grandpa so much?
And finally you complainsabout IE7 crashing. Well, maybe it's because of the stupid registry tricks that you've been playing all this years?
You are coorect. Internet EXPLODER is terrible. it should be wiped from every system ever made. As if it wasn't bad enought that we almost have to run windows, they must force us to also run their useless pile of !@#$ they call a browser. Not only that but if you end up using another browser you can't get rid of IE, unless like you said you play in that horrible behemoth known as the registry. The worst part is that Micro$oft won't allow you too view half of their web pages unless you are running IE. i mean sure there are plug-ins and the like, but have you ever tried doing windows update in FireFox? it sure as H311 didn't work for me. Oh and what is better than all this is that you have to use Micro$oft's installer to install the new IE, which is corrupt in my windows! So now i will be caught in an endless stream of crashes as windows tries futilely to install their @#$%. I wish i was in India where they are converting all public offices (so far schools and libraries) to linux.
Sorry, but I couldn't help LMHO even if I realize the seriousness of ur situation. I installed that crappy browser some time ago thinking that it could replace the even crappier IE6; (Swedish ver, completly useless, a digital wreck!), anyway, I used it once or twice but it didn't impress me the least. Still without proper support for CSS which I find totaly incomprehensible. No, I stick to Opera9 coz once I get on line I like to stay on line... Making a travesty of Cato the Censor: I say: Praeterea censeo IE7inem esse delendam (Moreover, I advise that IE7 should be destroyed... ;) swed
Set a DWORD called DoNotAllowIE70 in the key HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Setup\7.0 and give it the value 1. This blocks update to IE7. Remove when you are ready to update.
Realise it might be a bit late but HTH.
We use Firefox and it has been a relief. No more freezing up and a definite reliability in browser use. It's a lot more fun to use too.
OK You hate Microsoft we get the picture. Gosh
I try hard not to have to care about IE, so I actually prefer it this way. IE7 is already obsolete at the time of release, but at least it's a good deal less obsolete than the paleolithic IE6. Every minute spent cursing at the things that broke because of the IE7 upgrade is one minute less spent cursing at the things that won't work in IE6. Bring on the breakage. Better a terrifying end than endless terror, as they say in German.
Kurt, do you need a hug? ;)
"I'm still developing my app for backwards compatibility with Internet Explorer 6!".
How long has IE 6 been final? Sounds like you need some real help here.
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"I'm still developing my app for backwards compatibility with Internet Explorer 6!".
How long has IE 6 been final? Sounds like you need some real help here.
Kirill,
Please read my blog a little more closely. What I said was that I have to use WINDOWS for my clients, because that's where my clients (largely doctors) are. I said nothing about developing for IE - in fact, I'm developing Firefox applications at the moment, because the clients I had DIDN'T want me to use IE - they felt it was too unsafe.
Concerning the install, I would have been perfectly happy with just a percentage completed bar, indicating how much remained to be done so I could figure out how soon I'd get control of the computer back. It's a comparatively minor thing, but there were a number of these comparatively minor things that together added up into a fairly unpleasant experience, and also seemed the waste of a perfectly good opportunity for Microsoft to show off the technology.
Re:registries - I generally try to stay out of the registry unless I'm forced into it, because there is just too much potential for causing errors there. Again, since I'm working with Mozilla, I don't have to deal with the Windows registry, though there is an analogous system of preferences. However, the point remains - if IE won't work because of some setting that someone else improperly set, what does that say about the stability of IE?
At no point can you say "Hey, I really don't LIKE Internet Explorer taking up resources on my system and I spent the requisite six hours deep in the bowels of the registry trying to extricate the LAST version of IE, so don't install this!"
Really?
Organizations that use AU to keep their computers up-to-date can use a free Blocker Toolkit to block automatic delivery of IE7. This blocker has no expiration date; you can find more information in the blocker FAQ.
IE7 was silent, surreptious, and shocking. Coming at me in the middle of the night like one of Microsoft's monopoly ninjas, it became a "critical update" that had to be installed, user opinion (or need) be darned. Then again, given the number of sites that still require a proprietary browser solution, and the number of programs that decide to use MSIE to open sites without asking, it may indeed be a critical issue.
The IE7 install process was simple enough: download, then relinquish control of your PC. I've had multi-gigabyte game installs finish faster than IE7. It's a web browser, how hard can it be? I installed Firefox 2.0 the other day (to fix irritating issues with 1.5), and it went in quickly and without fuss. I can only shudder to think what kind of tinkering was done under the hood of my primary work (as in, what I need to make a living) OS. When it was done, it demanded I restart my system. Sorry IE, no dice. I have work to do. So all day, every 10 minutes, the booby-trap launches in the form of a pop-up window asking me to shut down. If I should be typing when the bomb goes off, or click the wrong button, bam... bye-bye work. Then again, I should expect bomb-like behavior from Microsoft by now.
I came here after using IE7 and finding, without surprise, that my websites looked dramatically different than they did in IE6 and Firefox. It's not enough to intentionally break CSS, now they break fonts too with their cleartype technology. And as if it were some kind of demented game, they HIDE the menu bar, then HIDE the option for cleartype to be turned off. How does a company with cash reserves in the billions manage to not test out their technology on standard computer equipment? It looks -terrible- on any decent digitally-driven LCD.
Peter Gurevich, Internet Explorer Program Manager, says this in his Blog from February 2006:
"Q1: Why is IE7 making this change?
A1: To improve the readability of text on the internet."
Yes Peter, everyone was going blind from internet text before. We had no options to increase font size, tweak monitor resolutions, override site font options, or that worst option of all, simply sitting closer to the monitor. Thank God for Microsoft. (I'll ignore the imperialistic suggestion that MS has to take on the heady role of fixing the whole Internet.)
He continues:
"The Advanced Reading and Technologies group at Microsoft has conducted several studies on ClearType on LCD and CRT monitors. These studies show a measurable improvement in reading comprehension and performance as well as an improvement in the perceived user experience (Mostly on LCDs, but even on CRTs)..."
Yes Peter, because it makes text artificially BOLD. It's much easier to read BOLD text, but it's up to the designer to decide how they wish their text to be presented. It's been scientifically proven also that audio that is louder sounds better. Why doesn't MS artificially jack up all audio output on the system to help its users hear better also?
Peter drones on saying:
"Q2: Why don't we turn on ClearType just for LCD monitors?
A2: There is no reliable programmatic way to detect whether the monitor on a system is an LCD or CRT."
Funny, I thought Plug-and-Play and EDID information for monitors was old-hat. I guess their army of engineers can't make a database of driver information. Then again seeing what they did with the Windows Registry, I may be glad they didn't try. (The more conspiracy-oriented of you may suggest that monitor identification is part of an industry standard, which means MS will not support it until they have their own competing non-licensable "standard" ready to replace it.)
Peter's last comment is a perfect testament to Microsoft operability:
"Q3: Why does text in Outlook Express still look blurry even when I turn off ClearType?
A3: This is a bug and it is known issue."
So if we translate this from MS MarketSpeak(TM), they can't implement the technology properly, they can't turn it off, and it does nothing useful when turned on unless you have a monitor from the 1980's. Yep, that sounds like a regular "feature".
Of course, I come here to complain because even though Peter asks us in his blog, "...please let us know if you have any questions or comments", comments are disabled. I guess the guys at Microsoft do have some intelligence after all, at least when it comes to dodging consumer complaints. Maybe that's why I have to give them my credit card just to get a Service Pack nowadays.
As a part-time web designer, I also appreciate not being able to test my code on IE6 and IE7 without having to set up a borg-like network of computers. Each one of which, incidentally, requires a new Windows license. Wait... maybe I just figured out part of the plot.
If this is what we can expect from Windows Vista, I'm going to start buying stock in Linux-related companies.
IE7 is uglier than IE6. Most important of all, it has successfully preserved 90% of the CSS and W3C incompatibilities in IE6. Quite a successful work by the guys at Microsoft.
More here http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.ars/2006/8/16/4999
I believe IE 7.0 is included in the windows update for XP but users have the option to install it after download. I am not sure how it gets automatically install on your system. On the other hand, there are still incompatibility issues evolve around IE 7.0 as well as Firefox 2.0. The new browsers release seem to have affected some currently running applications on older browser version. That's a pain for all web developers out there. Come on now, let see some backward compatibility here.
I've got IE7 on one machine and IE6 on the other, unfortunatly the machine thats got IE7 is a small 1.5Ghz laptop. IE7 is unstable when it can't connect, which is a big problem on a weak wireless network. Now use Opera, much quicker and much more stable. The only problem with Opera is that the tab bar gets filled up and slows the whole computer down.
I installed IE7 the day it came out in the official "final" version. Encountered no troubles in the actual installation process. When I needed to use it, IE7 opened without a glitch and allowed a decent browsing experience, except for the very annoying layout of toolbars which could not be moved. Then, the operating system stopped responding. CTRL-ALT-DEL could not do a thing, so I had to reboot my computer by pressing and holding down the power button, just like in the "good old days" of Win 98. This had NEVER happened to me before in the Windows XP environment. So, I rebooted, restarted IE7. Ten minutes into the browsing, the darned thing happened again. I rebooted, restarted IE7. After the third time around, I uninstalled IE7 and went back to IE6. The system is back to normal, not a glitch any more. I guess I will wait until Microsoft irons out the glitches in their web browser.
I looked forward to IE7 hoping it would be better. So I installed it and found the the layout annoying as h@ll, it was slower than IE6 to respond and the tabs, although a nice addition, were a bit to late to take me away from Firefox. Additionally, after a while IE7 started playing up with my OS so I dumped it and my system is all the much better for it now.
I am starting to believe that every upgrade Microsloth makes now is actually a downgrade; the version numbers go up but the usability and stability go down.
Well, after my Masters degree its back to OS X for me and as far as this university laptop I have; well that is going linux. There is no way I'm touching Vista. Especially considering my upgrade experiences with M$ (IE7, Live One Care, Etc) and then looking at the money, time and effort spent over the years.
Thank you.
Intuit Quickbooks and Rational ClearCase, one a widely-used home accounting package, the other an enterprise source control application. Neither is yet compatible with IE7.
I thought I had told Microshaft not to install it. This morning, I was commanded to reboot. IE7 installed during the night. Now my IE7 doesn't work at all. A couple other applications no longer work. I didn't even want it. I can't change my internet options from the control panel; the control panel locks up when I try. I don't know about Outhouse Express, since I have never used it. At least Firefox still works.
i wish I had read this before I installed I. E 7.0. It took out all my personal desktop icons, and replaced them with their "e" icon,. When you try to replace the icon, it is blocked. Also, my computer was running half speed, and is causing my applications to freeze and crash. I went to a restore point and got my old ie back, thank heavens, but my computer is still slow, but not nearly as bad. thanks
Tried to install it twice, both times it just froze after installation and some programs acted up and needed to be reinstalled...back to ie 6 and things seem to be status quo. Something's not right here
Thanks GOD finaly I got my IE 6.0 back
IE 7.0 hakers tools i spend 4 days to retrive data save files
I like IE7. The beta version kept crashing and was not usable. The one thing I hate is the way they implemented adding a favorite. I have thousands of them and miss control of the tree. I would also like to know what IE7 is connecting to when you start it. It seems to take a long time about it. I'm just a normal user by the way.
IE 7 is now being pushed as a Windows update here too (I'm French)... It still crashes on me (as did the beta I tried a while ago)... There must be something wrong with my system. Too bad MS can't come up with something less fragile... And good luck everyman!
I use Firefox anyway, it even has a convenient "IE Tab" add-on, so you can test-proof the sites you develop using IE engine (and it does use IE7 - hello PNG w/ alpha transparency - without having it crash).
So WHY have you enabled auto updating in XP?!
I think Mr. Gates should have offered IE7 as an optional upgrade, and not a "critical update". He didn't do this to major corporations, just individual computer users he decided to use as "guinea pigs" for this untried program as a way to find out how it worked. I didn't agree to be a guinea pig to test this product...and although I'm not a major corporation, I still use my computer a lot as my home office for my real estate business. I totally agree that this program acts like a virus. I automatically install "critical updates" so this got placed on my computer automatically. I spent 5 miserable days correcting all the problems it caused....worse than the virus I got last year. My e-mail wouldn't work without major updates. My printer/scanner/fax wouldn't work at all...caused major problems so that the hp director wouldn't come up anymore. Visual tour studio where I do virtual tours of my listings would no longer come up. It totally erased the WinTotal program where I do market analysis reports (appraisals) and all the saved appraisals I had done were also erased. Finally got the IE7 removed and went back to IE6... had to remove and re-install all the programs that had been erased or corrupted so that they could no longer be used. I went through the worst 5 days of my life in which my home-based business was virtually disabled. I think Bill Gates owes the public an apology! Jamie
I had pretty much the same experience as Mr Cagle.
I've used MS IE's with no problems for years. I am now using Firefox 2.0 and I like it. Thank you Microsoft for yet another poorly conceived piece of junk.
I did a restore on my computer and hope that got rid of all IE7 components. My computer seems to be running fine again anyways.
A browser should not take 15-20 minutes to install, Firefox was downloaded and running in about 2.
Oh help.
I'm no way experianced with computers and I thought that I was doing a good thing by upgrading to IE7. I wanna go back to 6. I am unable to open files that I was able to before.
I can't open some e-mail attachments. A message came up saying that my security settings wouldn't allow it. I can't figure what the difference is since upgrading.
I tried to open a file on a msn hotmail site which downloaded and then shut and asked me again if I wanted to open it. I'm so unhappy and want to know how to go back.
Since the installation of IE7 I have had absolutely constant problems with the browser locking up (not responding) and I have had to restart the machine again and again.
MS must be overwhelmed with "Error Reports" - now if they could just fix the damn thing ...
Hi
I have internet explorer 7. it take very long to open. I sit and wait. I don't like it. my friend computer crass . I want to go back to my old internet explorer 6 . can you tell me what I have to do to get it back. I not happy with IE7. I work very slow. I am very upset.
I hope you can keep your job after exposing what a total noob you are by the above screed.
What have you been smoking? You should step outside of your mom's basement once a week and get some fresh air! You are one of a bunch of people who have to bash Microsoft simply for the fun of it. Why not look at things rationally then form an opinion. Don't come at every issue thinking "how can I use this to promote my dislike of Microsoft?"
Many of the IE7 (not a beta) problems several people have experienced I can identify with. MS help desk cannot help me. I,too, long for IE6, but the add/remove programs won't allow removal of IE7. I really think an Apple is what I will turn too.
I am not bashing MS, but I cannot support them either.
Having just been given the option to install IE7 by windows update I figure i'll give it a try on my work machine. It lasted long enough for me to discover that there is no way to customise the UI, about 20 minutes.
Which muppet at MS decided to not only totally re-design the tool/menubar layout, and then make it impossible to change it, needs to go back to school.
If they want to change how things appear for their new OS and other software then that is fine (though some of the design decisions are incomprehensible) but to not allow me to change it back to how I want it to look is unforgivable.
I don't hate MS, but I do hate the way they seem to think that they know better than me how my PC should behave. For example right now every few minutes i'm getting a reminder pop-up telling me I need to restart after installing updates, When I click later i mean later, as in "when I am good and ready, go away and don't bug me", not as in "annoy me again in 5 minutes, i'm an idiot who can't make his own decisions"
My system refuses to boot now that IE7 is installed. How can I fix this? Do I need to reinstall the OS?
I was installing a new harddrive after a crash and was doing a new OS installation. I did all the security updates, and then it wanted to go to IE7. I'm so pissed.
It just stops at the Windows XP screen.
posted by: Jamie Ashley
"....worse than the virus I got last year. My e-mail wouldn't work without major updates. My printer/scanner/fax wouldn't work at all...caused major problems so that the hp director wouldn't come up anymore. Visual tour studio where I do virtual tours of my listings would no longer come up. It totally erased the WinTotal program where I do market analysis reports ..."
I dunno about the others, but the HP Director UI is programmed for IE. Ya know, If huge companies like HP would just take a day or 2 to code a real stand-alone UI, we wouldn't have these problems. Its not that freakin hard (for a real programmer anyway). But I suppose the days of 'dot net' and 'c#' are catching up with us. does anybody actually know how to code anymore?
reviewed your comments this am 12-28-06, after reading a column by jim coates today. he noted the necessity of having IE 7 installed for needed security updates from Microsoft. However, after I installed IE 7, I too experienced problems with running programs. Notably in Media Center, I was not able to properly view album art while music selections were playing. I eventually went back to IE 6 and found that it apparently is more compatible with my system (XP). I too will certainly wait for Microsoft to "fix" IE 7 before I attempt another install of this IE version!
it's worse - its non-working virus ;-(
I have (by now) downloaded IE installation (using MOZILLA - the best browser!) and after installation, it cant't even connect to www.microsoft com - it simply hangs
I have XP professional genuine, automatic updates ON, Norton Internet security+virus up-do-date
Actually you do have the option to Not Install the software, when prompted after the download simply click on Custom and not Express. Poor muffin, you're a software developer and haven't figured this part out?
i installed it, and now my pc is so slow i cant believe it, i want to throw it out the window! How can i rectify this, can i uninstall it or do i have to put up with it?
If I'm not mistaken, IE is more than just a web browser because it runs in the background all the time. In that case, you need to block it from communicating from the outside world, especially if you have high-speed internet service. You need a firewall that blocks all ingoing and outgoing IE traffic.
Amen brother....those were my thoughts....word for word.
You will find that Office 7 has way too many problems too. I send email out to our customers, I mark-up a jpeg with links, and email from my program via IE6 (so it was in the past, t'aint so now all of a sudden) and rather than pass it to my server farm and out to my customer's (successfully for YEARS with IE 5 & 6), O7-Outlook decides it is going to delete MY HTML tagging in favor of ITS HTML tagging. Problem is, assuming that I am willing to redo my work again just to suit Billy Gates and his team of world class marvels, it does NOT offer the same capabilities! I don't WANT to tag the TOP or BOTTOM or WHOLE WINDOW with A link, I want to tag 8 or 9 places on a SINGLE document with DIFFERING links and I CANNOT anymore...well, not successfully AND send it out to anyone! Why is that? Why was it "improved" so that I can't even use it any longer? Uninstalling ISN'T as clean as it should be either. Maybe they don't understand what the term "uninstall" means. It is NOT a half-way attempt to remove "some things" (if it isn't too difficult) and leave MANY of the changes in the Registry cause it's too much work to really clean-up their mess! I too have to "play" in the Registry....for a long time, still not to be successful in cleaning up after them. I can create a VMware machine on MY PC (I am NOT going to try Microsoft's version of virtual machine) so that I can install an OS AND re-license my HTML Development Application (all at additional cost to me) AND reinstall IE6 along with enough virus, spam, pop-up blocker and firewall utilities so that NOTHING can get changed without my prior approval. It takes a LOT of time to do all that (plus $$$$), JUST BECAUSE Microsoft is determined that you WILL LOVE THEIR PRODUCT...that is an ORDER! Well dudes, I DON'T! I don't like Office 7 and I HATE IE7. I am a developer too. I DON'T WANT my environment changed without MY approval or in such a manner that it does not work like prior releases without TELLING ME that there are that type of significant changes taking place and then NOT ALLOWING me to fully successfully uninstall these viruses and reinstall what I NEED and PAID FOR!
Microsoft has too many "developers and programmer" who come out of college with a "degree" and NO knowledge about how the real world works and the fact that you can't just "screw people over" 'cause you want to play around with "changing things for the sake of changing things" and not understand the big picture and how YOUR changes affect EVERYTHING else. It isn't a GAME to play when you are dealing with other folks and their livelyhood! Since Microsoft seems to like to play games, they need to understand that "Lucky-7s" aren't always lucky, especially for their customers, and Office 7 and IE7 are not ready for release regardless of what the calendar says. I don't care what their deadline was or how many times it has been pushed out until they could come up with something that at least ran ...sort of, the consuming public is NOT their QA Department and the product line wasn't ready for release ...oh yes, can you say Vista?
Get the picture?
Perfect corectly ;) IE7 it`s a virus ! ;)
I can't get IE 7 to load my Home page, just the darn IE 7 Welcome page each time I start IE 7. Anyone else have this problem?
I agree with you that IE7 is not worth a crap. I am going to Firefox. Did you notice that as soon as 7 loaded it had a large update? If it is as good as they claim, why does it have such a large update already. XP had 70 updates and it is touted as best thing sdince buttons on a shirt.
I have installed IE7.0 and get Not responding after browsing web pages. It seems to do it after about three different pages. I WOULD NOT INSTALL THIS PROGRAM AGAIN, while it may add some features. visiting web pages it would seem to me to be quite important, what the heck do i do when i cant even get updates without it seizing. Thats kind of like when you have a problem and the manufacturer tells you to go to their website!!! How can i if your product locked me up!!! Duh!!
A mandatory update yes!... phewww... It screws up my data Access Page what could possibly wrong with it? Microsoft knows! It causes downloads to freeze even from Microsoft.com... I just grab the link from Microsoft Downloads and open it in Firefox for the downloads to work... Everything is wrong with IE 7 Final. Security, I don't think so... Sorry micro$oft but you have to do more debugs with your IE. It doesn't work right.
I really hate IE7. Recently i found out that it made my computer slow down. I downloaded a lot of memory optimizer program since i was thinking that RAM (memory) is the problem. When i Uninstalled IE7, my computer went normal again...
Normally I use Firefox, but when some sites give me a hard time with video on Firefox, I switch to IE7. So a few days ago I open IE7 and surprise, it's gone (!), and regardless of what URL I type in, it just shows "Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage--Windows Internet Explorer."
Could this be a result of last week's Microsoft updates, anyone know? (SpySweeper, PC-Cillin, Spybot, Adaware, Microsoft Malicious Software Removal, none of these detected anything.)
I just uninstalled my ie7 after it silently crashed on me today. I knew that was the end of using it once it started doing things without even an error screen. It may have been a tad bit easier to open up windows, but it was less user friendly thatn ie6, and not worth all the troubles it brings with it after reading everyone else's problems.
Right On! Couldn't have said it better myself.
Hey! didn't want to waste time reading through all the comments here so apologies if the eureka moment has already been posted but...
ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS UNINSTALL IE 7 and you get your IE 6 back. microsoft must've known about the load of crap it was trying to shove down our throats and gave us a way out've this mess. best part of ie 7 is the uninstall process!!!
You guys would shoot yourself in the foot if you were given a gun. They should require users to have a license before operating a computer - you are all a bunch of morons and should stay off a computer or get some training.
I downloaded IE 7 and it totally crashed my system!!! Is there any way to recover or do I have to reformat? I would be willing to reformat but can't get there either. I can't get anything to work. I can't even get to Safe Mode.
Anybody have a fix for this?
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Unfortunatley IE6 hasn't quite gone the way of the Dodo... I'm still seeing 50% IE6 users and 37% IE7 users on a popular small business website I run... I'd rather IE6 just rolled over and completely died, for as much as I hate IE7, it's still only halfway to being anything like as good as FF or Opera but superior to the IE junk that went before it.
Crashed my system...I tried to install it twice...every time I open it is crashes and cant be closed....I used my system restore and IE6 works just fine...please tell me that by using my system restore that horrid IE7 is gone.
Well said! I'm gonna install Firefox right now!!
I agree with almost everything in "The Difference between IE7 and a Virus." I don't agree about the auto-downloading of IE7 because you can configure Windows Update to allow you to choose what updates you actually want to be installed. When I saw the IE7 option in Windows Update on my XP computer, I simply unchecked the box. I was also given the option to choose not have that update presented to me again.
IE7 crashes in XP (it's also known to crash in Vista, but more subtly).
On my Windows Vista computer I have IE7 installed (no choice). I also have Firefox and Opera, two garbage applications that I installed for only because I'm a webmaster and need to checkout how those two browsers[sic] handle the code on my sites. Firefox is painfully slow in loading (Opera isn't much better), bringing back memories of the Netscape Navigator. Slowness aside, what these two abortions have in common is that they are engineered to strictly conform to the WW3 standards (like Netscape's Navigator). The problem is, Kurt (now grit your teeth for this) is that WW3 doesn't set the standards for the Windows system. The standards are set by Microsoft, the creators of the Windows system which includes the Internet Explorer. It's their baby, so they can set any standards they want to.
The reason why Firefox and Opera decided to stick to WW3 was because they didn't learn anything from the Netscape disaster. Can you imagine a manufacturer of after-market automotive components and systems not complying with the standards set by the original manufacturers? Firefox and Opera wanted to create a better browser, and they failed miserably because they wanted to change the rules.
Now don't get me wrong, Kurt. Microsoft software is bloatware, crashware, and is but a sad remnant of what used to be. Call Microsoft Tech Support, and unless you're prepared to pay a hefty fee for specialized support you're going to be connected with some idiot who probably was a telemarketer only six months ago. Microsoft is a disgrace, but Windows is their system (for better or worse), and they set the rules.
IE7 dosen't install without your premission, and even if it did all you do is run appwiz.cpl and uninstall the hotfix, which will revert back to IE6, jeez ppl it's just a browser.
I have installed IE7 three times now using XP Home . Each time the same problems arise. Once you try to browse a site the computer hangs up completely. Control Alt Del command is ignored and one has to resort to pushing the power off button to get a re-boot.
I am disappointed with Microsoft for releasing a product which to me still seems to be in a Beta State and full of bugs.
I am not a computer guru and as such cannot easily locate fixes to these Microsoft generated problems.
I only wish I had stayed with Internet Explorer 6 which worked and did not cause my computer to hang up for no apparent reason.
"I am also forced to keep Microsoft’s Auto-Update feature active, because without it I can’t receive the dozens of weekly patches"
This proves you are a biased idiot. Anyone worth their salt knows that the patches are released MONTHLY, and you can get them without using Windows Update.
Well IE7 works pretty good. For your software compatibility issues, how about stop making software that requires a web browser to run it?
What have all of you done to your computers. I have installed IE7 on 3 computers and it works mostly perfect. Learn how to use a computer before you bash it.
I am so peeved. Until recently Outlook Express and Internet Explorer were working "quite well". However, for about 4 weeks now I have been experiencing this freezing when I try to link from OE and sometimes IE.
I am wondering whether to switch to Apple ASAP. I have tried many solutions mentioned in forums. I uninstalled IE and re-installed - improvement for a short time. Now it's back!!! What is it????
Maybe more people should switch to Apple and MAYBE Microsoft will get a "wake up call" and fix the problems with their software that they market before it is ready to be marketed, just to race their competitors.
Is Apple just as bad as MS in this regard?
The 10.4.11 Update is recommended for all users running Mac OS X Tiger and includes general operating system fixes that enhance the stability, compatibility and security of your Mac. This update also includes Safari 3, the latest version of Apple's web browser.
You can't get the security updates unless you also install S3. . And it breaks a bunch of Dashboard widgets. And you can't remove it. Not good. Well, except that it's actually an improvement for most of us stuck on 10.4/Tiger. But I need to test my sites for those stuck with Safari 2 (e.g. 10.3.9 users) so no update for me. To test sites on IE7, I roll a new Virtual Machine just for that. No VMs for OS X. To simultaneously test quirky Safari 2 and Safari 3 I can use the latest Webkit (the browser framework) side by side. Thanks for that, Apple. But if I want the security updates, looks like I'll have to dig out that old PowerMac and find my Panther discs to keep Safari 2 around.
One more thing on proprietary and hacks: the OS X webkit is sequentially adding features from HTML5. Cool. If you code for that
going through the rather lengthy list of comments, i notice there are two types of writers:
1) people who have faced genuine problems with IE7, due to varied reasons
2) people who think you're an idiot. (I'm quite sure these are all developers on the IE brigade.) Notice their main points of argument:
a)you should block the update (obscure tool found here)
b)you're stupid. you mucked with the registry.
c)don't use automatic update. it sucks, but we are smart enough to know that.
d)you're stupid. i can't think of a reason.
this is why i use linux.
So much drama from a pro? I agree it's BS for this update to be forced, but as others have already said, you can do a system restore to get rid of it and go back to the old browser. I still use IE5.
XP recently tried again to install IE7, but I had turned off the full auto updating. I now review what XP wants to do first. XP also gave me the option to never try installing IE7 again. We'll see if they honor that little checkbox.
you're a shill and a tard.
1: You *Chose* to automatically install updates. IE7 does include security features and rolls up previous fixes into a new package. It also includes many complaince and standards features that you have previously bitched about in IE6. If you aren't interested in monitoring your patch status let MS do it for you. However if like most of us nerds you care about your box set the option to "Download but do not automatically install" and review what is happening before it happens.
2: IE never crashes on me. Perhaps it was because you went deep into the bowels of the registry and removed a bunch of previous settings it expected. Don't blame MS for you assholiness and idiocrity.
*You* chose to have autoupdates automatically install. *You* chose to manipulate system wide settings without regard for the reprecussions.
But then again what else could be expected from someone who thinks LINUX (which has the ugliest, slowest GUI on the market; shitty hardware support and virtually no quality applications) is superior to windows.
There's a reason why all your customers run Windows. It's not because of monopolies or licensing or the OEM tax or any of the other things people in the Linux community scream while pounding on their chest. It's because Linux sucks in the consumer market. It's because Linux sucks on the enterprise desktop. It's becuase Linux sucks.
The Mozilla people are doing it right. Rather than bitching about how MS sucks they are building better products. So FFS learn from them and go build a better product.
The absolutely retarded comments in this thread make even more sure I'll never enable commenting. It seems 60% of posters never even read the whole article, much less stopped to think of something helpful to say. Spare me. Kurt, here's a vote from me: I enjoyed your writing and am all for aggressive comment moderation.
Everytime have tried to upgrade to IE7 my system will not even boot into Windows and this sytem isn't all that old. (3 years old). It just freezes on the BIOS page.
I guess I'm lucky or some almighty entity is on my side! I still have IE6! I don't know how I side-stepped the upgrade, but I'm doing my happy dance!
IE7's great, so long as the website you're attempting to visit is up and running. If not, IE7 will freeze-up until timeout.
hey i just installed IE7 but i kinda freaked when i saw it wouldnt lettme close the thing while it says it was uploading nessascery stuff, that made me think it was a virus, so i need help UNinstalling it cuz im scared to death to reboot the computer, i already had a bug in the computer and i didnt get 2 have my computer back for months, i finally got it back a couple months ago now im scared to death bout viruses, what can i do?
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