A Fifty Year Wave of Change
by Maria Klawe09/05/2007
Maria Klawe is the President of Harvey Mudd College.
A few years ago, a friend and I were sitting on a cliff overlooking the city of Vancouver, B.C. As we admired the cityscape, the mountains, and the ocean, my friend asked, "Don't you wish you had been born 50 years earlier so you could have lived here before Vancouver became a big city?"
I responded with horror, "If I'd been born 50 years earlier, my life would have been totally miserable. As a woman, it would have been almost impossible for me to have a career in technology, to become a mathematician, or to be a leader in academia and computer science. And I certainly couldn't have combined all this with being married and having two children."
Today, I am President of Harvey Mudd College, a tiny, incredible undergraduate college that educates some of the brightest students in the world in engineering, science, and mathematics. I'm the first female president at Mudd; many of the alumni say they thought they'd never see a female president in their lifetimes. Before coming to HMC one year ago, I was the first female dean of engineering at Princeton University (alumni there had similar comments), the first female dean of science at the University of British Columbia (UBC), the first female senior vice-president at UBC, the first female head of a science department at UBC, etc. When I've applied for jobs, sometimes being female has been an advantage, but, most often, my sense is that my gender has been relatively unimportant in comparison to other criteria being considered.
As a child of the 1950s, I have spent my life being part of the wave of change for women in math, science, and engineering. While I was in high school, my teachers routinely said that girls couldn't do math or physics. While I was in college, some professors would ask me why I wanted to be a mathematician since "there are no good women mathematicians." Despite such comments, most of my teachers and professors were delighted to have a female student who loved mathematics, and they encouraged and supported me. They also got me started in K-12 outreach activities to convince girls, teachers, and parents that girls can excel in math and science and that doing well in high school math is essential for success in any professional career.
Today, about 45 percent of undergrad math majors and about 30 percent of the Ph.D. recipients are female. And it's much rarer to hear someone say, "Girls can't do math." Similar changes have been happening to differing degrees in almost every area of science and engineering. It's exciting to see dramatic increases in the number of women in this year's entering classes at the top science and engineering schools. Caltech's class of 2011 is 37 percent female, a huge increase over previous years. At Harvey Mudd College, the class of 2011 is almost 43 percent female, again a huge increase for Mudd, but still less than at MIT with 46 percent of its entering class female. Princeton's engineering class of 2011 is almost 40 percent female. Such large numbers of female students dramatically change the culture inside and outside the classroom, and both male and female students appreciate the difference.
In many ways, this is the best time ever to be a female student in a technical area. Most of the leading high-tech companies are trying to increase the recruitment and retention of women, and they are doing it for business reasons. They value the diverse perspectives women bring to technical teams and have found that women tend to make excellent project managers because of their people and organizational skills. There are more female professors in science and engineering than ever before, though in some fields (such as biology and chemistry), the numbers are still significantly lower than one would expect given the increased numbers of women receiving Ph.D.s.
Is everything rosy for women in technology? Unfortunately, the answer is no. In the computer science (CS) field in which I've ended up working, participation by women has been steadily decreasing at the undergraduate level. Despite hard work by many people, we haven't turned that around yet. Today, the percentage of CS bachelor's degrees granted in research universities to women is at 14 percent, its lowest ever (see http://www.cra.org/info/taulbee/women.html). Many of the top departments are reporting female enrollments of fewer than 10 percent in their CS major programs. The situation at the doctoral level is a bit better, with between 15 and 18 percent of CS Ph.D.s going to women over the last seven years, and the percentage of women faculty in CS departments steadily increasing.
Young women often think computer science is boring, and they think they wouldn't be good at it. They see computer people as those who spend all their time programming and who have no life. And if that's not enough to discourage them, there's the myth that all the IT jobs have gone to India and China. The reality is that the demand for computer science graduates continues to be the highest among all areas of science and engineering. Moreover, because information technology is increasingly important in a huge range of applications, ranging from health to entertainment to finance to sustainable energy, computer scientists have opportunities to work in a vast array of disciplines. Like most other technical jobs, being a successful computer scientist requires talent and skill in problem-solving, communication, creativity, and teamwork.
Attracting significantly more young women to study computer science is likely to require effort on several fronts. It would be a huge help if the media provided more examples of male and female computer scientists who have interesting lives. I know lots of such people. So why are we still stuck with the Dilbert image? Introductory computer science courses should inspire students with the power and breadth of computational concepts and approaches and with how these are transforming our world. We should develop and promote more courses and programs that combine computer science with areas such as biology, art, psychology, or business. Institutions that have implemented such approaches have seen substantial increases in their numbers of female students.
What about the situation for the most senior women in technology: those in senior executive positions or just below? Is the glass ceiling truly shattered? From what I've experienced and seen happen to others, there remain some special problems for female leaders. Women in top positions are usually under more scrutiny than their male peers. Many people suspect they were hired because they are female. When a female leader makes a mistake—as everyone does sooner or later—such beliefs are reinforced. When a female leader selects a woman for a senior position, she is assumed to be biased, whereas if a male leader selects other males for senior positions it is considered to be business as usual. A woman bursting into tears because of anger is seen as unacceptably emotional and weak. A man banging the table in anger is seen as demonstrating strength.
The preceding examples apply to female leaders in all areas. However, being perceived as too aggressive for a key position is common for women in technology, though it would seldom block a male candidate. Most women in the early stages of technical careers have found some level of aggressiveness is necessary to survive and succeed. Every woman who I know in technology has experienced the following phenomenon many times: you are the only woman in a meeting and you make a suggestion. No one reacts. A few minutes later, a man suggests the same idea and everyone gets excited about what a great idea it is. While there are techniques for handling this phenomenon gracefully (e.g., ask a male friend attending the meeting to repeat your idea while acknowledging it as your idea), it's not surprising that successful technical women tend to speak strongly and defend their ideas. Most women who reach top positions in technology have had to learn how to soften their personality so as not to be seen as overly intimidating or polarizing. And, yes, being quieter and gentler is something I work on all the time.
Today, what inspires me most about being a senior woman in technology is the opportunity to help create positive change for everyone. This opportunity far outweighs any of the difficulties I've mentioned. Being president at Harvey Mudd College is my favorite job ever and I'm thrilled to be part of a community focused on educating technical leaders—female and male—who will understand the impact of their work on society.
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thank you!
2007-09-05 10:46:24 Selena Deckelmann | [View]
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Arrggh! Not again....
2007-09-05 09:54:57 LenaWest [View]
Maria states the obvious. The superficial things that have continued to present challenges for women working in technology.
The disconnect as I've always seen it stems from two distinct areas:
1) Women need to stop complaining. Period. Not only do you annoy everyone around you when you complain, but you send the message of a powerless victim. I can't tell you how much complaining I've heard since I started my career in tech over a decade ago. It's the main reason I avoid 'women in tech' conferences and events. It turns into a literal whine and cheese party.
I don't want to hold hands and sing "We shall overcome" with guys who work in tech. JUST. LET. ME. DO. MY. JOB.
I am not willing to go along to get along. If someone says something to me that I don't like, I correct them and move on. Have the intestinal fortitude to stand up for yourself and not make it into a federal case against women. As is said, no one can make you feel badly without your permission.
*THIS* is ther real reason that CS degrees are on the decline for women. They hear the constant complaints, they feel the victim vibe and head for the hills. We owe it to our future women leaders to be MUCH stronger than this.
2) Be careful of the 'sticky floor' phenomenon as popularized by Becky Shambaugh. This "they won't let me" mentality just doesn't hold water. Never did, never will. I was always taught that when there is a misunderstanding between myself and someone, I was to first look to see how I had contributed to the problem. Women working in tech need to ask themselves the same question. If they have the guts to hear the truth.
How have we/you contributed?
Do you let people take credit for your ideas without saying anything?
Do you complain that you're never invited out to play golf?
Do you take offense when someone has an open, honest and direct communication style?
Do you refuse to self-promote because it feels slimy or you just don't 'know how'?
Do you let people talk over you in meetings?
Do you negelect to get to a meeting early to make sure you get a 'power seat'?
Do you become overly friendly with people at work (bringing brownies, etc.) so instead of seeing you as a nice co-worker they put you in the 'mother' role?
Do you apologize if you have a different, yet toally valid, viewpoint?
Do you keep talking after you've made your point to avoid awkward silence in hopes that it'll smooth over any bumps in the road?
Take a good, HARD look. And, if you're really serious about success, you need to be willing to do the work to make a shift so YOU are in control of your professional experience and success -- not subject to the whims of the omnipresent "they".
If you don't want to play organizational ball, go home and start your own company. I did. I got tired of being 'political' and having to 'tone down' who I am to be successful. I didn't complain. I took action. That's the difference between a victim and a victor.
No everyone has to have my personality, but a backbone and self-respect is critical to success in any industry. It's time we get with the program people.
P.S. And, as an aside, crying at work? A definite no-no. I'm with Carolyn Kepcher on that point. -
Arrggh! Not again....
2007-09-05 11:22:43 Shelley Powers |
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I can agree with what you're saying, Lena, but you're putting the issue squarely on the shoulders of women, without holding men in any way accountable. That might make you popular in the geek circles, but it doesn't necessarily translate into a future where don't have to necessarily do more, be more, strive more, more more more just to get ahead.
You didn't like what was happening to you so you started your own company. Commendable. However, if this was last century instead of this, would you fight for women's suffrage by recommending we go off and start our own country, rather than be critical of the status quo in this one?
Your solution might work for you, but it doesn't ultimately work for the field, or the women AND men in the field.
I agree that backbone and self-respect is critical, but if we're not heard, not seen, not acknowledged, all the backbone and self-respect in the world won't make a difference.
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Aw my Gawd - it's real!
2007-09-05 08:31:26 Tianta [View]
Thank you to my friend, Judy, for introducing me to this sight.
I have been frustrated by an invisible wall that has been impeding my career. I have yet to figure it out. I have chalked it up to "politicks", but after reading this article, I see now that what I have and still am experiencing is real. I have seen years of good results, brought to my team and company by yours truly; vanish in a wink due to a minor (or not so minor) mistake on my part. I have been demoted two ranks in one swipe for being "argumentative" with team members (males) when they refused to try to work with me, not knowing I was their team leader, because I had been placed in the role by a boss (female) who did not believe in granting 'titles'. I have watched my team dicker and struggle over technical issues for hours after the solution, delivered by me, and placed directly in their laps, had been greeted by blinks, disbelief, lack of confidence, and silence. In my 20 year career, it has been acknowledged only twice, that I had been "ignored", or not given acknowledgement for providing multi million dollar solutions, only twice. More than not I have received resentment and competitive jealousy instead.
I have been frustrated with trying to modify my behavior, so that I am better received. Being my self doesn't work ether. I just don't get it.
It seams that men have a buddy system, but with women, you have to watch your back. Or is it the other way around?
My whole career has been marked with high reviews, but no promotions and even in one case as mentioned above, a demotion. What's going on? This doesn't make sense. Paranoia surly does not get high reviews with no results.
I am looking forward to read the rest of the articles as they are produced.
Rant, rant, rant!
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Disappointed
2007-09-05 06:53:23 Shelley Powers |
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I was very pleased to see that improvements have been made in the other areas of science, but am aware of how little has improved for women in technology. You acknowledge such, but then go on to basically state the party line.
We have to make women be more interested.
We have to show women in these roles.
Women have to do such...
Women must...
There is little about altering the field to attract not only more women, but a more diverse population; a diverse population that can only improve the technologies and products resulting from the technologies.
I'm particularly disappointed with the following paragraph:
" However, being perceived as too aggressive for a key position is common for women in technology, though it would seldom block a male candidate. Most women in the early stages of technical careers have found some level of aggressiveness is necessary to survive and succeed. Every woman who I know in technology has experienced the following phenomenon many times: you are the only woman in a meeting and you make a suggestion. No one reacts. A few minutes later, a man suggests the same idea and everyone gets excited about what a great idea it is. While there are techniques for handling this phenomenon gracefully (e.g., ask a male friend attending the meeting to repeat your idea while acknowledging it as your idea), it's not surprising that successful technical women tend to speak strongly and defend their ideas. Most women who reach top positions in technology have had to learn how to soften their personality so as not to be seen as overly intimidating or polarizing. And, yes, being quieter and gentler is something I work on all the time."
Why on earth must we 'lie' and pretend to this warm and nurturing role, just to get the respect we deserve? We should be angry! We should be shouting from the mountaintops! At a minimum, we should be pointing out such hypocrisy every chance we get, as a unified whole; repeating such until we are heard.
I cannot believe you are promoting a stereotypical feminist behavior in order for women to 'get by'. I can't believe that you're letting your more vocal sisters down.
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2007-09-09 10:30:48 webmaven [View]
ObNitPick: in the last para, I think you meant 'feminine' instead of 'feminist'. -
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2007-09-09 10:32:55 webmaven [View]
Oops. Stupid 'Newest First' default. -
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2007-09-06 15:57:13 MariaKlawe [View]
I appreciate the comments you made. It seems my essay wasn't clear enough about how I feel about the situation that women in technology face. I completely agree with you we need to change things about computer science to make it attractive to more diverse populations, rather than change the people (females, African Americans, etc.) who are currently not attracted to studying or working in computing. And I agree with your point that more diversity yields much better results whether it's in learning environments or product design and development.
Like you and many others I am angry that women in leadership roles are treated differently than men are. As someone who is naturally vocal and aggressive about my ideas it has often annoyed me that I'm criticized for behaviors that males use all the time. On the other hand, I have gradually realized that learning to be a better listener has made me a more effective leader and manager. In the paragraph that disappointed you so much, I was trying to describe the current state of reality and make the point that women still face much unfairness. It was provided as example to illustrate my earlier claim that not everything is rosy for women in technology. -
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2007-09-05 11:54:16 lauras [View]
I by no means consider myself as particularly insightful or having all the answers for this kind of challenge, and I agree with your comment to some extent, but when you write:
"We should be shouting from the mountaintops! At a minimum, we should be pointing out such hypocrisy every chance we get, as a unified whole; repeating such until we are heard."
...I'm left wondering "to whom"? Shouting at whom? Pointing out hypocrisy to whom?
The missing element in this discussion, to me, seems to be management. Management sets the tone. Management establishes the company values. When women are ignored or have men parachuted in to take over their projects, that's not on men as a gender -- it's on management. And maybe I'm just too cynical on this point, but if management already isn't listening, then is shouting going to do any good?
Being aggressive, developing a thick skin, standing up when you're disrespected -- these are the kinds of things that are needed in life to some degree, but all the more so in tech, it seems -- especially in the corporate world. And yet who's fault is that? I say it's management's. And not just male managers, because women managers can be just as culpable.
And yet there's that cliche that holds so much truth: Be careful whom you choose to be your enemy, for you will become (him). Is a frontal assault against management values in the corporate tech world really the best approach? Maybe.
What I like about this article is that it is more about the kinds of gradual change that happens when the entire culture changes, when the management culture changes. That's where the problematic attitudes breed, isn't it?
Being a Buddhist in spirit and one who tries to follow the Dharma, my job is on what I can do, not what others must do. (At least that's the ideal.) Leading by example. Doing it my way as a way to show others. And yes, even starting a company, a company that embodies these values and succeeds because of them -- these are things that I feel do make a difference.
It's not revolutionary. It's not going to change things overnight. But I feel that in some way it's just inevitable. Things will change because the tide is against the status quo.
(FWIW, I'm not pollyanna when it comes to enrollment figures in schools. I've been reading your blog for some years now, Shelley, and your thoughts on the problems with CS education are spot-on, imho. I look forward to your posting this month!) -
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2007-09-05 13:10:01 Shelley Powers |
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First of all, excuse the typos in my comments. I've never been especially good at writing in small boxes. For instance, it should be feminine, and not feminist in my last sentence.
Laura, I hope my essay won't disappoint. It's much smaller than these two previous, and most would probably think it a rant.
Shouting to who...I'm not sure anymore. Management? Somewhat, especially if women are not getting the same recognition for their work as the men. I'd say it goes beyond management, though, and focuses more on society as a whole than any individual group of people.
I want to shout at the women who don't see a problem because they're successful and they can't see beyond themselves. I want to shout at the women who don't stand up for themselves, and each other. I want to shout with the women who do.
I also want to shout with the men who say, "Hey, wait a sec...something is wrong here..."
I also want to shout at the techs who assume their audience is all male; who put on conferences and care little if there are few women.
All these fields where women have made strides, yet in the IT field, our numbers are shrinking, not growing. That makes me want to shout--at everyone. Shout, grab by the collar, shake people about. When I hear that all we need is to show the IT field in a positive light on TV or in movies, makes me want to shout most of all, because we really don't get it.
It's not that women or the perceptions of IT are 'broke'. It's the field that's broke.
Let's see how many Tiny Edit Box typos enter this time ;-)
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2007-09-05 07:48:01 cwade [View]
"You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar" -- American Proverb
It's a temporary situation we're in today. Not to become a sloganeer, but "It's always darkest before the dawn" -- I don't think any one of us wants to tone down the delivery so closely connected to the feelings of near-violation and scandal that accompanies having the rug pulled from under us so many times. But to be truthful, gender aside, it's really difficult to tolerate opinions when they're being shoved down one's throat in a vitriolic fashion, no matter who we are.
It just so happens that the status quo has it that men are regarded less as blowhards, and more as assertive, when exhibiting this behavior. And likewise, women are slandered and maligned more openly for that behavior, than they are rewarded, even though I'm sure many individuals of both genders silently loathe a male blowhard as much as publicly slander a female one.
But I'll repeat it again, "You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar," a scientifically proven hypothesis that, I think, can be a fitting analogy for our present social situation as women in technology. Not to mention, I feel pretty strongly (and personally) that, as a passionately opining human being, I usually benefit from dialing back my delivery somewhat, since it seems to inject a level of clarity and focus to an argument. Detachment, as a personal style, has worked tremendously for me as I've worked on it.
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2007-09-06 00:19:05 chromatic |
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I wouldn't exactly call it detachment, but some of the most successful people I've known in the world of technology have a very laid back delivery. That seems to contribute greatly to their efficacy. -
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2007-09-06 07:14:49 Andy Oram |
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chromatic, the "laid-back" delivery works for someone who is already recognized as a leader in some way. I think the women who report being ignored are behaving appropriately and not being treated appropriately in return. I remember a smart programmer from Poland telling me that the way meetings were conducted in a company I was in made it difficult for foreigners with a modest command of English to participate. Foreigners him needed a little extra time to formulate what they wanted to say, and by the time he did so the conversation had rushed on. (This may also be a Northeast Coast US phenomenon.) I think we all need to be open to everyone with ideas. As a lot of the business writers tell us in popular books, the idea that will propell your organization is likely to come from someone you don't expect.



We had a small, and quiet BoF meeting and she waxed nostalgic about IBM way back then - using punch cards and how things had changed so much since she had taken her first mathematics class. She was so inspiring, hopeful and encouraging to the younger women who attended (I was only 20 at the time).
I agreed when you said "it would be a huge help if the media provided more examples of male and female computer scientists who have interesting lives." Thanks so much for sharing your experiences and successes.