VoIP Regulation in America: A View from the Trenches
by John Todd11/21/2003
Editor's Note: John Todd is a networking and VoIP consultant. In this op-ed piece, he offers some persuasive arguments for why the VoIP industry should look seriously now at formulating its own regulatory stances. If you're involved in this industry, what do you think? Weigh in with your opinions in the Talkback section the end of the article.
Most of us have lived a carefree, packet-based life in the sun, where the dark and dangerous concepts of regulation have had little or no impact. Even Congress went so far as to declare the Internet a "regulation-free" zone for a number of years, which allowed for amazing growth and the blossoming of new technologies, business plans, and jobs. Now that IP technology (and with it, open source software) are strongly stepping into business markets, along with large-scale replacement of existing technologies, the ugly spectre of regulation is something that must be considered.
As OSS/IP networks start to touch and replace the edges of existing, highly regulated industries (telcom, as in this article's example), it is possible that developers and businesses need to consider the implications of their designs and decisions as they relate to current regulations, or else there may be an unpleasant set of results. Where regulations do not fit, we need to encourage and design alternative legal frameworks. Where regulation is unavoidable or sensible, developers must think ahead to compliance strategies when creating new protocols or business models.
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As many of you are aware, recent steps have been taken by some states in the U.S. to start regulating Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) providers (a.k.a. IPCSP, or IP Communications Service Providers, previously known as ITSPs, or Internet Telephony Service Providers; more on this in a minute). These regulatory efforts are due to unclear legislative wording and changing industry methods, and this collision of racing technology and inadequate legislation could cause great harm to the VoIP industry unless a broad Federal exemption is made to cover these new companies and the methods they use to connect individuals to each other.
I sympathize a bit with the state regulators in their plight; these regulators are only trying to enforce the law, they don't write the bills. The majority of telecommunications legislation was written without the foresight that voice data would become separate from the wires on which that voice traveled, and therein lies the problem that faces current regulatory agencies. Information has become separate from the mechanism on which it is delivered, and there are a growing number of delivery mechanisms for information, including voice, video, and other content.
DSL, cable modem, wireless, and power-line delivery of IP data (and with it, voice data) are breaking the model that has held for the last 100 years or so, which is that voice data is delivered on a pair of copper wires owned by the telephone company. This new separation of delivery mechanism and data has not been fully recognized by legislatures, especially where the transmission of human voice is concerned. There has been a previous definition of ISPs and cable companies as "Information Service Providers," which are immune from the legal requirements under which telephone companies ("Telecommunications Service Providers") must operate. The definitions are vague at best, and are almost certainly ripe to be legally challenged by telcos that feel unfairly regulated. Congress will need to revisit these definitions in the medium term, with guidance from the FCC. Where that will lead is a crapshoot, to be sure, as Congress is (to put it mildly) unpredictable in its legislation regarding technology and regulation.
The Current Legal State of VoIP Regulation
It seems that the regulatory wolves have been staved off for the moment, with a ruling from the Minnesota Circuit Court that defines IPCSPs as "Information Service Providers" and not "Telephony Service Providers," a seemingly minor but very important distinction. The Court's ruling (in summary) said that Congress had defined the Internet as a no-regulation zone, and that IPCSPs were clearly in that sphere, regardless of what services they offered. By this definition, there should be no regulation of IPCSPs.
This seems to be a very fragile ruling, whose basis may change if Congress makes some longer-term ruling on taxation and/or regulation of Internet services. However, for the time being, I expect it to remain adequate to shield IPCSPs from regulatory intervention. The Circuit Court's ruling contradicted a lower court's statement that Vonage (an IPCSP) was a "Telephony Service Provider" that needed to be licensed under the same rules as telephone companies. Other states are still considering regulatory steps (California being the most important), but I suspect that the Minnesota ruling will put a damper on any regulatory firestarters for several months, at least.
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Regulation and Investment
Now, why talk about investment in a discussion about regulation? Because technology is driven by investment, and regulation scares investment; therefore, regulation impedes technology. I have spoken first-hand to major investors who have clearly indicated that they will not invest in a technology or company that could be severely regulated in the future, or that (worse) will be retroactively punished for actions made in good faith.
In the American tradition of "follow the money," this clearly indicates that the investment activities in the VoIP market are stalled, to some degree, without assurance of regulatory futures. Even with this uncertainty, there is a land rush happening with VoIP, and VC money may not be necessary for some entrants in the market. The Minnesota ruling against additional regulation will certainly assist in freeing up some indecisive investment capital for the industry, but a firm statement from the Federal government will help those of us in the technical arena, as well as those in the investment arena (the people that ultimately fund our paychecks).
So, What Are the Problems?
Once investment money starts flowing freely, what's the next issue? The problems that critics see with VoIP being non-regulated lie in fairly widely dispersed but narrow categories. E911, USF (Universal Service Fund, a USA-specific tax by any other wording), and common carrier status seem to be hotpoints. USF is the biggest issue, since it "follows the money," but E911 is the biggest emotional factor. Common carrier status has yet to surface as a major issue (though it will) and CALEA and other interception methods will also need to be considered by VoIP carriers to some degree. Let's take a look at each.
- E911
E911 is perhaps one of the most visible concerns about VoIP, and one that the average user will understand. One would be hard-put to find VoIP providers who are not trying to come up with some solution in this arena, for regulatory as well as legal reasons. The market will drive this as much as any threat of regulation--the first providers to reliably deliver E911 service will see commensurate reward, and any vendor eventually left without that service will become a second-rate system. There are halfway-useful systems in place right now from only one IPCSP, and the buying public should consider these features when signing up for service. This raises an interesting point--if people aren't willing to pay for it, should it be offered as an option? Try mentioning that idea in a public forum of telephony people and see how fast the rocks fly in your direction.
I will use my not-so-bullish pulpit to state that I believe that regulation of these services should be market-driven, as there are no monopoly statutes granted in the world of IP packet delivery. The basic elements of E911 should be provided as a public service, and not repackaged to exclusive commercial contracts. This is a much larger topic, which will undoubtedly fuel some of the most heated and irrational debate (from both sides) on the subject of VoIP regulation.
- Common Carrier
This segues right into a brief comment on common carrier status. It does seem to make sense in certain circumstances to define carriers of layer 1 (wires) services as common carriers, and that they should be responsible for delivery of packets to the "majority" of the Internet at a reasonable price. Defining what "majority," "delivery," and "reasonable" mean is where the lobbying organizations start working, compensation plans get introduced, and the USF zombie menacingly lurches from the crypt in search of live companies to eat.
I'll leave this extremely long discussion for another article. To this end, however, the FCC has clearly ruled that Internet services do not fall into USF-funded services, so we perhaps have several years before the overhaul of layer 1 taxation will be considered again. I will again put my opinion up for review and say that common carrier status should be inflicted upon firms that are granted some type of monopoly or virtual monopoly for serving data (packets, voice, whatever) to a geographic location. The prize to offset these penalties for these monopolies might be government subsidies, or rate controls. Consider this as a possible solution: Common carrier status should be levied upon firms that deliver layer 1, 2/3 services (physical facilities and IP transit) in circumstances where a monopoly or virtual monopoly exists. VoIP providers are not common carriers under that definition, but that definition is not yet accepted by all concerned parties.
- USF
There is that strange payment you see on your phone bill every month, labeled "USF charge," which (to some degree) pays for the phone service to rural or otherwise disproportionately expensive endpoints of the traditional phone network, and also pays for users of the phone system who qualify for low-income assistance. There are also some portions of the USF taken for educational networking ("e-rate") funding. Rural states (and there are a lot of them) depend on USF to provide service to residents of remote parts of their states who would ordinarily pay very high rates to run facilities to some location that is very distant from the CO or telephony network fabric.
Billions of dollars flow through the USF of various states, and any threat to that revenue gets the attention of legislators. Those farmers vote, you know. The companies that benefit from USF funding are also happy to contribute to the election campaigns of those legislators, further solidifying the status of USF. The VoIP networks that are being created do not pay USF fees, meaning that as people convert to VoIP and turn off their primary phone lines (this will happen, eventually), then that revenue disappears. There are some critics of the USF, who say that the various phone companies are fleecing the government for millions of dollars, and this, I'm sure, will come under renewed examination over the next few years. The solution in my opinion is what I mentioned for Common Carrier status: assign USF to the layers 1/2/3 delivery mechanisms in some way -- don't tax the data, tax the delivery mechanism.
- CALEA
The CALEA (Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement) standards may ultimately be inapplicable for most aspects of VoIP, which will cause many three-letter-agencies and their non-US counterparts to leap up and down in a howling rage. I do not see CALEA as being possible in some VoIP situations (peer-to-peer or SIP native bridges, to name just two) and in those instances where interception is possible, I see no significant change in the methods that are used by law enforcement to gather the relevant information or recordings.
It would be difficult for Congress or law enforcement to seriously consider CALEA as a regulatory roadblock to VoIP, simply because in many cases, CALEA access is just not possible with VoIP. This is an unpleasant fact that law enforcement will have to consider, but it is unavoidable and inevitable that voice communications between two individuals will no longer be easily accessed through some central clearinghouse such as a central-office wire plant. While CALEA still must apply to gateways where VoIP and the PSTN meet, I see no reason that this would require any significantly different laws than those that exist today.
- ENUM
There's enough about ENUM to write several articles, but I'll sum it up in an abbreviated example: imagine if your phone system in your office looked up every number in DNS to see if it could find an IP-capable phone switch that was designated to handle calls for that number. If the answer to the DNS query was positive, then the call would be routed over IP and to the destination host. There would be no analog circuitry involved. There would be no phone companies involved. There would be no charge. Got your attention? Try this with a modern version of Linux/*BSD:
host -t NAPTR 0.8.7.9.3.5.2.1.3.4.e164.arpa.and I think you can quickly see how it works on a lookup for a number in Austria (an active participant in the trials.)Now, to put a darker spin on this: imagine if the phone number was under control of VeriSign. Or Verizon. Or SBC. Do you think you would be happy with the outcome of this? How would you want this done? Who runs all this, anyway? Have you ever tried to get in-addr.arpa assignments moved to your nameservers (if so, you can start to see the problem at hand)? There are answers to these questions that I hope you might take some time to discover. ENUM is coming, and it could be a blessing or a boondoggle. My belief is that it will be a blessing, but one that needs to have the long-term implications thought out ahead of time.
ENUM is arguably more important than any other aspect of the DNS, as it will replace a system that currently has more users than the Internet does. ENUM has been designed as a stopgap measure: people remember and use phone numbers right now, since that is what they are accustomed to using. Over time, URI-based dialing strings will become more common (i.e.: "jtodd@loligo.com" is a SIP dialing string) and hopefully will become the standard for dialing. In the meantime, though, it will be hard to break people of their number-dialing habit immediately, especially since all traditional phones don't have alphanumeric keyboards. So to loop back to our "regulation" concept, the owner of the referral servers upstream from you may hold the key to your ability to receive calls to a phone number for some years to come, depending on the way the nation regulates the dispersal of that DNS hierarchy.
Summary
I titled this article "VoIP Regulation in America" for specific reasons. The regulatory path that the U.S. takes may have significant influence on how other nations define their own regulatory stance. The E.U. has been ahead of the U.S. in its definitions of regulation in VoIP technology, though there is still some inertia to overcome with state-owned telephone companies maintaining enormous power in the E.U. regions. The rest of the world will likely build their VoIP regulation guidelines to a large degree on what these two powers enact within their own legislative domains. Of course, the risk also exists that 200 nations will enact 200 different policies for VoIP, unless some clear international consensus is reached, based on prior examples. It will be an interesting comparison to see how the U.S. and E.U. policies stack up against each other, as I have seen evidence of some pleasantly forward-thinking people in the E.U.'s telecom policy bureaucracy.
VoIP is undergoing incredible growth right now, and in the next year there will be dozens of firms offering what only a few offer today, as far as VoIP-to-PSTN delivery. The regulatory environment is stable at the moment, but far from certain. The combination of uncertainty and growth is potentially dangerous, and regulatory stances need to be established now while the industry is still small. Old ideas of technology need to be removed from regulatory wording, and rethinking needs to happen with respect to the application layers of taxation on a telephony/information delivery architecture. Regulate the monopolistic delivery mechanism, not the data delivered on it. IPCSPs should hold their breath and hire some high-priced lawyers. Then we shall see what the future brings.
John Todd is the CTO of TalkPlus, Inc. which is a next-generation mobile identity management and enhanced call services provider.
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Current State of VoIP Regulation and Policy?
2005-03-15 20:33:22 Apu [Reply | View]
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2005-09-22 15:48:19 Jason-Wemer [Reply | View]
Hi Apu,
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2006-11-12 13:29:23 lawis77 [Reply | View]
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HP PAVILION LAPTOP-- ZD7255EA--$500
APPLE CINEMA HD 23-INCH TFT LCD MONITOR--$500
SONY VAIO LAPTOP-- VGN PCGK21 5Z--$500
SAMSUNG LAPTOP-- X30 LWC 1500--$500
G4 POWERBOOK 1.33GHZ SUPERDRIVE WITH 12 INCH DISPLAY-$600
SONY VAIO PCVW2 DESKTOP--$450
HP PAVILION LAPTOP-- ZX5151EA PHOTOSMART--$400
TOSHIBA SATELLITE LAPTOP-- M30-832--$400
HP PAVILION LAPTOP-- ZT3215EA--$550
SAMSUNG LAPTOP-- M40 HWM 745--$500
APPLE G4 POWERBOOK 1.3GHZ COMBO WITH 15 INCH DISPLAY-$700
All our product are nagotiable
All this documents will enable you to clear the consignment from the career on deliver. The phone is treeband and it work with T-mobile, Vodafone Sim and other sim card or any net work service.
Your urgent response to this request will be highly appreciated.
Regards,
Sales/Manger.
-
Begging The Question
2003-11-23 21:02:11 anonymous2 [Reply | View]
The wires were regulated because they had a single function, and AT&T a single entity.
In an IP over anything environment why would regulation be necessary?
Short of regulating interconnect with the wired network, so it can't strangle its parent slaying offspring none are necessary.
Recommend "The Technologies of Freedom" by Ithiel de Sola Pool...
How anything can exist, with State enforcement capability, in the home of the brave and the land of the First Amendment, continues to be beyond me.
You wouldn't let them license the presses, but you let them shut down radio and control its content for the most vaporous of reasons.
VoiP doesn't need regulation to succeed any more than the Internet did.
What's wrong with you? When did you forget your distrust of Government? -
Begging The Question
2007-06-17 10:54:42 kate23 [Reply | View]
HI
I would like to buy FLYBOOK NOTEBOOK - WI-FI-- GPRS-- BLUETOOTH-- 1GHZ (RED)---$610. I live in London.Is it new This flybook??What is the price in pounds and how I can get it??
Best wishes Kate
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we sale electronics and homes applicance
2006-11-12 13:29:42 lawis77 [Reply | View]
Globa
We are sellers of all sort of electronics and home appliance, such as cellphones, radeo and tv set, games, video cameras, ipodss, laptops and many more.
we have in stock new and sealed in original company
box with complete accessoies.
We are are located in China and we have branches in Ireland, New York, Dubai and 3 Afracn country.
Presently we have all the
latest phones in stock at mouth watering prices..Contact us at: la_lawisphones@yahoo.com or contact the the (ceo) via: lawisforall@hotmail.coml Telecommunications Ltd.
Play station 1......... $100
Play station 2 ....$110
Play station 3.....$120
samsung handycam 380 x 310 - 41 ...$480
samsung handycam 380 x 380 - 45...$470
Samsung mini-dvd-r mini-dvd-rw 205 x 154 - 7 ...$600
Samsung mini-dvd-r mini-dvd-rw 200 x 347 - 14 ...$630
Sony HandyCam..500 x 379 - 35..$320
Sony lanza tres nuevas 309 x 206 - 19...$480
Sony DCRHC65 MiniDV Digital 500 x 339 - 30 ...$620
Sony Handycam DCR-HC17 miniDV 500 x 405 - 35...$650
Sony-Handycam-Dcr-Trv238.317 x 270 - 17 ...$500
Apple 60 GB ipod video = $100.00
Apple 30 GB ipod video = $100.00
Xbox 360.........$150
GARMIN 396........$130
Apple 4 GB ipod nano =us$60.00
Apple 2 GB ipod nano =us$55.00
Apple 4 GB ipod mini silver m9160ll/a=us$43.00
Apple 60 GB ipod photo m9830ll/a =us$82.00
Apple 60 GB ipod photo =us$49.00
Apple 30 GB ipod photo m9829ll/a =us$73.00
NEXTEL 1930 JUST FOR...$120USD
NEXTEL i870at JUST FOR ..$140usd
NEXTEL i450 JUST FOR ..90usd
NEXTEL 1860 JUST FOR ..$110USD
SAMSUNG SCH i830 JUST FOR ...$220USD
SAMSUNG MM-1940 JUST FOR ..$190USD
SAMSUNG SGH D307JUST FOR..$180USD
SAMSUNG SGH D720 JUST FOR ...$170USD
SAMSUNG D500 JUST FOR ..$160USD
MOTOROLA V3 RAZ JUST FOR..$160USD BLACK COLOR,
MPX 300 JUST FOR .$180USD
SIDEKICK 2 JUST FOR ..$120USD
SONYERICSSON P990 JUST FOR ...$210USD
SONYERICSSON W900 JUST ...$190USD
SONYERICSSON Z500a JUST FOR .$180usd
SONYERICSSON Z520 JUST FOR .$190USD
SONYERICSSON P910 JUST FOR..$160USD
SONYERICSSON P800 JUST FOR.$130USD
SONYERICSSON K750i JUST FOR .$150USD
SONYERICCSON W800I JUST FOR ....$160
MOTOROLA V3 BLACK JUST FOR $160,PINK $200,BLUE $270
NOKIA 9500 COMMUNICATOR JUST FOR ..$220USD
NOKIA 9300 COMMUNICATOR JUST FOR ..$210USD
NOKIA 7360 JUST FOR ..$170USD
NOKIA 7370 JUST FOR ..$180USD
NOKIA 770 JUST FOR .$160USD
NOKIA 6682 JUST FOR $150USD
NOKIA 7380 JUST FOR$200USD
NOKIA 8800 JUST FOR $220USD
NOKIA N90 JUST FOR $200USD
NOKIA N91 JUST FOR $250USD
NOKIA N92 JUST FOR...$220USD
NOKIA N80 JUST FOR $250USD
NOKIA N71 JUST FOR ...$200USD
NOKIA N70 JUST FOR ...$180USD
NOKIA E60 JUST FOR A $160USD
NOKIA E61 FOR At ..$180USD.
All our product are nagotiable
SONY VAIO A217S-- 100GB-- 512MB RAM-- XP HOME-$500
SONY VAIO B1VP-- 40GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP PRO--$430
SONY VAIO T370P/L-- 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP--$400
SONY VAIO A215Z 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP--$6450
SONY VAIO A397XP-- 80GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP--$700
SONY VAIO B100B08 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP--$450
SONY VAIO B100B08 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP--$600
SONY VAIO FS295VP 80GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP--$550
SONY VAIO FS215Z 100GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP---$650
SONY VAIO A417M 80GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP--$650
SONY VAIO B1VP-- 40GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP PRO--$300
SONY VAIO T370P/L-- 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP PRO--$600
SONY VAIO LAPTOP-- VGN-A117S--$600
SONY VAIO LAPTOP-- VGN-S1XP--$800
ALPHASMART DANA PALM POWERED LAPTOP---$330
APPLE G4 POWERBOOK 1.5GHZ SUPERDRIVE WITH 15 INCH DISPLAY--$700
APPLE G5 POWERMAC 2.0GHZ DESKTOP COMPUTER--$700
APPLE G4 POWERBOOK 1.5GHZ SUPERDRIVE WITH 17 INCH DISPLAY--$600
APPLE G5 POWERMAC 2.5GHZ DESKTOP COMPUTER---$100
TOSHIBA SATELLITE LAPTOP-- P20-102----$500
APPLE 5GHZ SUPERDRIVE DESKTOP COMPUTER WITH 20 INCH MONITOR-$4500
TOSHIBA SATELLITE LAPTOP-- P10-803---$500
ALPHASMART DANA PALM POWERED LAPTOP-$350
ALPHASMART DANA PALM POWERED LAPTOP PACK WIFI VERSION-$400
OQO MODEL 01 ULTRA PERSONAL COMPUTER (XP PRO)---$450
TOSHIBA SATELLITE PRO A60 40GB-- C2.8GHZ-- 15INCH-- DVD/CDR$450
FLYBOOK NOTEBOOK - WI-FI-- GPRS-- BLUETOOTH-- 1GHZ (BLACK)----$550
FUJITSU SIEMENS LIFEBOOK P7010 60GB-- P4 1.1GHZ-- 10.6INCH-- DVD/CDRW
$600
ASUS A4744K-LH AMD64 POWER WORKSTATION LAPTOP---$450
FLYBOOK NOTEBOOK - WI-FI-- GPRS-- BLUETOOTH-- 1GHZ (RED)---$610
FLYBOOK NOTEBOOK - WI-FI-- GPRS-- BLUETOOTH-- 1GHZ (BLUE)---$500
ALPHASMART DANA PALM POWERED LAPTOP---$300
FLYBOOK NOTEBOOK - WI-FI-- GPRS-- BLUETOOTH-- 1GHZ (YELLOW)--$500
TOSHIBA TECRA M2 40GB-- PM 1.5GHZ-- 14INCH-- WIFI-- DVD-CDRW----$500
FLYBOOK NOTEBOOK - WI-FI-- GPRS-- BLUETOOTH-- 1GHZ (SILVER)---$500
TOSHIBA PORTEGE R100 40GB-- 512MB-- XP PRO---$500
TOSHIBA SATELLITE LAPTOP-- M30-742---$550
APPLE G5 POWERMAC 1.8GHZ DESKTOP COMPUTER--$500
HP PAVILION LAPTOP-- ZD7145EA--$500
HP PAVILION LAPTOP-- ZD7255EA--$500
APPLE CINEMA HD 23-INCH TFT LCD MONITOR--$500
SONY VAIO LAPTOP-- VGN PCGK21 5Z--$500
SAMSUNG LAPTOP-- X30 LWC 1500--$500
G4 POWERBOOK 1.33GHZ SUPERDRIVE WITH 12 INCH DISPLAY-$600
SONY VAIO PCVW2 DESKTOP--$450
HP PAVILION LAPTOP-- ZX5151EA PHOTOSMART--$400
TOSHIBA SATELLITE LAPTOP-- M30-832--$400
HP PAVILION LAPTOP-- ZT3215EA--$550
SAMSUNG LAPTOP-- M40 HWM 745--$500
APPLE G4 POWERBOOK 1.3GHZ COMBO WITH 15 INCH DISPLAY-$700
All our product are nagotiable
All this documents will enable you to clear the consignment from the career on deliver. The phone is treeband and it work with T-mobile, Vodafone Sim and other sim card or any net work service.
Your urgent response to this request will be highly appreciated.
Regards,
Sales/Manger.
-
Begging you read a book
2003-11-23 21:41:49 anonymous2 [Reply | View]
Seems we have a little unwillingness to co-operate, and think forward. This kind of unreasoned paranoia hinders discourse and adds nothing to the discussion. -
Interested in buying laptops
2007-03-14 10:24:37 Suno [Reply | View]
Hi there
Would you please let me know where is your branch in Dubai is located! I found your prices amazing!
Please let me know ASAP!
Regards
Suno -
we sale electronics and homes applicance
2006-11-12 13:30:51 lawis77 [Reply | View]
Globa
We are sellers of all sort of electronics and home appliance, such as cellphones, radeo and tv set, games, video cameras, ipodss, laptops and many more.
we have in stock new and sealed in original company
box with complete accessoies.
We are are located in China and we have branches in Ireland, New York, Dubai and 3 Afracn country.
Presently we have all the
latest phones in stock at mouth watering prices..Contact us at: la_lawisphones@yahoo.com or contact the the (ceo) via: lawisforall@hotmail.coml Telecommunications Ltd.
Play station 1......... $100
Play station 2 ....$110
Play station 3.....$120
samsung handycam 380 x 310 - 41 ...$480
samsung handycam 380 x 380 - 45...$470
Samsung mini-dvd-r mini-dvd-rw 205 x 154 - 7 ...$600
Samsung mini-dvd-r mini-dvd-rw 200 x 347 - 14 ...$630
Sony HandyCam..500 x 379 - 35..$320
Sony lanza tres nuevas 309 x 206 - 19...$480
Sony DCRHC65 MiniDV Digital 500 x 339 - 30 ...$620
Sony Handycam DCR-HC17 miniDV 500 x 405 - 35...$650
Sony-Handycam-Dcr-Trv238.317 x 270 - 17 ...$500
Apple 60 GB ipod video = $100.00
Apple 30 GB ipod video = $100.00
Xbox 360.........$150
GARMIN 396........$130
Apple 4 GB ipod nano =us$60.00
Apple 2 GB ipod nano =us$55.00
Apple 4 GB ipod mini silver m9160ll/a=us$43.00
Apple 60 GB ipod photo m9830ll/a =us$82.00
Apple 60 GB ipod photo =us$49.00
Apple 30 GB ipod photo m9829ll/a =us$73.00
NEXTEL 1930 JUST FOR...$120USD
NEXTEL i870at JUST FOR ..$140usd
NEXTEL i450 JUST FOR ..90usd
NEXTEL 1860 JUST FOR ..$110USD
SAMSUNG SCH i830 JUST FOR ...$220USD
SAMSUNG MM-1940 JUST FOR ..$190USD
SAMSUNG SGH D307JUST FOR..$180USD
SAMSUNG SGH D720 JUST FOR ...$170USD
SAMSUNG D500 JUST FOR ..$160USD
MOTOROLA V3 RAZ JUST FOR..$160USD BLACK COLOR,
MPX 300 JUST FOR .$180USD
SIDEKICK 2 JUST FOR ..$120USD
SONYERICSSON P990 JUST FOR ...$210USD
SONYERICSSON W900 JUST ...$190USD
SONYERICSSON Z500a JUST FOR .$180usd
SONYERICSSON Z520 JUST FOR .$190USD
SONYERICSSON P910 JUST FOR..$160USD
SONYERICSSON P800 JUST FOR.$130USD
SONYERICSSON K750i JUST FOR .$150USD
SONYERICCSON W800I JUST FOR ....$160
MOTOROLA V3 BLACK JUST FOR $160,PINK $200,BLUE $270
NOKIA 9500 COMMUNICATOR JUST FOR ..$220USD
NOKIA 9300 COMMUNICATOR JUST FOR ..$210USD
NOKIA 7360 JUST FOR ..$170USD
NOKIA 7370 JUST FOR ..$180USD
NOKIA 770 JUST FOR .$160USD
NOKIA 6682 JUST FOR $150USD
NOKIA 7380 JUST FOR$200USD
NOKIA 8800 JUST FOR $220USD
NOKIA N90 JUST FOR $200USD
NOKIA N91 JUST FOR $250USD
NOKIA N92 JUST FOR...$220USD
NOKIA N80 JUST FOR $250USD
NOKIA N71 JUST FOR ...$200USD
NOKIA N70 JUST FOR ...$180USD
NOKIA E60 JUST FOR A $160USD
NOKIA E61 FOR At ..$180USD.
All our product are nagotiable
SONY VAIO A217S-- 100GB-- 512MB RAM-- XP HOME-$500
SONY VAIO B1VP-- 40GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP PRO--$430
SONY VAIO T370P/L-- 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP--$400
SONY VAIO A215Z 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP--$6450
SONY VAIO A397XP-- 80GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP--$700
SONY VAIO B100B08 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP--$450
SONY VAIO B100B08 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP--$600
SONY VAIO FS295VP 80GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP--$550
SONY VAIO FS215Z 100GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP---$650
SONY VAIO A417M 80GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP--$650
SONY VAIO B1VP-- 40GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP PRO--$300
SONY VAIO T370P/L-- 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP PRO--$600
SONY VAIO LAPTOP-- VGN-A117S--$600
SONY VAIO LAPTOP-- VGN-S1XP--$800
ALPHASMART DANA PALM POWERED LAPTOP---$330
APPLE G4 POWERBOOK 1.5GHZ SUPERDRIVE WITH 15 INCH DISPLAY--$700
APPLE G5 POWERMAC 2.0GHZ DESKTOP COMPUTER--$700
APPLE G4 POWERBOOK 1.5GHZ SUPERDRIVE WITH 17 INCH DISPLAY--$600
APPLE G5 POWERMAC 2.5GHZ DESKTOP COMPUTER---$100
TOSHIBA SATELLITE LAPTOP-- P20-102----$500
APPLE 5GHZ SUPERDRIVE DESKTOP COMPUTER WITH 20 INCH MONITOR-$4500
TOSHIBA SATELLITE LAPTOP-- P10-803---$500
ALPHASMART DANA PALM POWERED LAPTOP-$350
ALPHASMART DANA PALM POWERED LAPTOP PACK WIFI VERSION-$400
OQO MODEL 01 ULTRA PERSONAL COMPUTER (XP PRO)---$450
TOSHIBA SATELLITE PRO A60 40GB-- C2.8GHZ-- 15INCH-- DVD/CDR$450
FLYBOOK NOTEBOOK - WI-FI-- GPRS-- BLUETOOTH-- 1GHZ (BLACK)----$550
FUJITSU SIEMENS LIFEBOOK P7010 60GB-- P4 1.1GHZ-- 10.6INCH-- DVD/CDRW
$600
ASUS A4744K-LH AMD64 POWER WORKSTATION LAPTOP---$450
FLYBOOK NOTEBOOK - WI-FI-- GPRS-- BLUETOOTH-- 1GHZ (RED)---$610
FLYBOOK NOTEBOOK - WI-FI-- GPRS-- BLUETOOTH-- 1GHZ (BLUE)---$500
ALPHASMART DANA PALM POWERED LAPTOP---$300
FLYBOOK NOTEBOOK - WI-FI-- GPRS-- BLUETOOTH-- 1GHZ (YELLOW)--$500
TOSHIBA TECRA M2 40GB-- PM 1.5GHZ-- 14INCH-- WIFI-- DVD-CDRW----$500
FLYBOOK NOTEBOOK - WI-FI-- GPRS-- BLUETOOTH-- 1GHZ (SILVER)---$500
TOSHIBA PORTEGE R100 40GB-- 512MB-- XP PRO---$500
TOSHIBA SATELLITE LAPTOP-- M30-742---$550
APPLE G5 POWERMAC 1.8GHZ DESKTOP COMPUTER--$500
HP PAVILION LAPTOP-- ZD7145EA--$500
HP PAVILION LAPTOP-- ZD7255EA--$500
APPLE CINEMA HD 23-INCH TFT LCD MONITOR--$500
SONY VAIO LAPTOP-- VGN PCGK21 5Z--$500
SAMSUNG LAPTOP-- X30 LWC 1500--$500
G4 POWERBOOK 1.33GHZ SUPERDRIVE WITH 12 INCH DISPLAY-$600
SONY VAIO PCVW2 DESKTOP--$450
HP PAVILION LAPTOP-- ZX5151EA PHOTOSMART--$400
TOSHIBA SATELLITE LAPTOP-- M30-832--$400
HP PAVILION LAPTOP-- ZT3215EA--$550
SAMSUNG LAPTOP-- M40 HWM 745--$500
APPLE G4 POWERBOOK 1.3GHZ COMBO WITH 15 INCH DISPLAY-$700
All our product are nagotiable
All this documents will enable you to clear the consignment from the career on deliver. The phone is treeband and it work with T-mobile, Vodafone Sim and other sim card or any net work service.
Your urgent response to this request will be highly appreciated.
Regards,
Sales/Manger.





Can anyone point me to the latest on regulation and policy on VoIP in the USA? The FCC website does not make it very easy to look up info. May be there is another site that puts all the regulatory information in one place, even if it was culled from the FCC website.
Thanks,
Apu