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  JBoss: Sun Needs Us
Subject:   Big mouth, little facts
Date:   2002-03-24 20:16:28
From:   mattd2
Response to: Big mouth, little facts

Read my further posts for information. I just requested the certification stuff from Sun. As I recall the price was $20,000. In any case, Fleury's own comments from the JBoss site state EXPLICITLY that they didn't want to pay.


If you, Tom, think that the owner of a license can't reclaim it from an OpenSource license, you're wrong. See Lutris.


As to "solid code," you don't know anything about me on which to base that determination. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have the job I do if I couldn't write one single line of solid code.


Tell me where to send my money and I will send it. I would contribute money. I won't contribute code. But then again, I never said I would. I like to do other things in my free time. OpenSource projects give me a lot of benefits. In particular, I work for a small company which can't afford to pay BEA and IBM the exorbitant prices they charge. We use JBoss because it's 1) the best, and 2) cheap. I wouldn't have my job without them so I would contribute money. JBoss kicks ass, I think that Mark Fleury doesn't. That's my opinion.


On Jetty: I think Fleury's being disingenuous here. Try out Tomcat and Jetty together, see which 1) has better performance, 2) is easier to use and deploy on. For my money, it's Tomcat. For all practical purposes though, we use JBoss with Jetty in our setup.


On Lutris (again): Your comment is exactly at odds with what Fleury has said on his site. He said that Lutris was lying. Here's the page: http://www.jboss.org/licensesun.jsp


My comments about trusting Fleury come from a whole host of comments both on the boards and these type of little forums where he warps reality.

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  • Big mouth, little facts
    2002-04-07 12:25:12  tom_1 [View]

    > Read my further posts for information

    You're not providing any, that's the problem.

    > As I recall the price was $20,000.

    As you recall?? Well, either put up an URL pointing to this information ($20k) or shut up. The JBoss Group has on several occasions mentioned the sum Sun requires is $500k. In JB1 last week they said they are willing to pay this today, but Sun refuses to return their calls (this information from the JBoss Group lawyer).

    Your information seems very thin and definitely not what you hear from core developers in JBoss Group.

    > If you, Tom, think that the owner of a license
    > can't reclaim it from an OpenSource license,
    > you're wrong. See Lutris.

    You're fucking clueless, aren't you? For the third time, go read the LGPL license. Marc Fleury or JBoss Group does not own the code. The people who wrote the JBoss code own it.
    > Try out Tomcat and Jetty together, see which
    > 1) has better performance,
    > 2) is easier to use and deploy on.
    So you build and maintain the Tomcat integration then. Like I said, no one is stopping you. Oh... but you have "better things to do with your free time". Well in that case, shut the fuck up. If you don't give, you don't get.