JBoss: Sun Needs Us
Subject:   Lay it on a little thicker, why don't you
Date:   2002-03-23 05:00:25
From:   lfortson
Response to: Lay it on a little thicker, why don't you

There is a saying that small minds talk about people. Great minds talk about ideas.

It's a sad state of affairs when the current level of debate on this topic on this site and also on the Serverside which also posted the JBoss interview focuses on the personality of the founder and lead developer and not the issues behind JBoss and their desire for certification.

What is distasteful about this virulent criticism of an individual, flawed certainly (but how many worthy projects are not founded by and championed by flawed individuals) is that none of it appears to come from Marc's peers--the other handful of individuals in this world who write or make significant contributions to app server software in their spare time.

The answers to your two of your critical points which are rather obvious to those with an agenda beyond casting stones, is that 1) it is possible that JBoss didn't have the money before and does now to pay for certification 2) if you knew the first thing about Open Source and the LGPL license, it is impossible for anybody "to destroy JBoss by making it private." -- so next time you are worried about this phenomena you are free to brush up on EJB container architecture and make a significant contribution to this community instead of whining about those who do.

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  • Lay it on a little thicker, why don't you
    2002-03-24 20:26:27  mattd2 [View]

    Please.... If they have the money but have been rejected, there must have been some official communcation. If it was a letter, they could scan it and put it front and center on their site. Go to the further post I put up and read for yourself. JBoss group doesn't want to pay, plain and simple. If they have really been denied the certification and did pay for it, or were blocked because they didn't want certification, then Sun is stupid and spiteful, and JBoss has a case. That is, however, inconsistent with the posting on the JBoss website and with their comments here. Notice they do not state explicitly that they were denied. They just talk vaguely about Sun not wanting them to get certification. Honestly, if you people haven't been following this from the beginning, search on Google. You'll find plenty of info on the politicking.

    As to contributing, as another post attests, I have other things to do in my free time. At my job, it's important to have Open Source because it's 1) Good and 2) Cheap. To be frank, I don't care about Open Source software outside of work. I'm not sure that contributing to JBoss would somehow make it impossible for the JBoss group to close the source. Your point is non sequitur. Thanks for the advice though.