JBoss: Sun Needs Us
Subject:   Lay it on a little thicker, why don't you
Date:   2002-03-22 14:01:41
From:   mattd2
I use JBoss every day, but frankly Fleury and his politicking is getting a little old.

Let's set the record straight shall we? First of all, Sun is not "blocking" you from getting certification. It costs $20k and you don't want to pay. If you have a complaint about the cost, fine, but don't feed us crap about Sun preventing the little guy from succeeding. That's bull. And besides, you have options, ask everyone who uses JBoss to contribute $1. With 100,000 downloads a month, it would take no time at all. Then cease accepting donations when you reach $20k. I know I'd contribute to getting this product certified, just so I don't have to hear people complain about that anymore, even though I know it's the best product out there.

Second, as to Jetty. I'd be much happier if you DIDN'T make that choice. While your hot deploy works nicely for deploying servlets/JSP, Jetty documentation sucks and if you follow their instructions all you end up with is a lot of frustration. I'm also not convinced that Jetty gives you the performance that Tomcat does.

Third, I'm tired of Fleury politicking all over. Your attitude and self-contgratulatory manner are annoying to say the least. I don't trust you. I get the distinct feeling you will destroy JBoss by either making it public, or making development and deployment so political that you alienate everyone.


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  • The real price is ...
    2002-04-03 05:54:18  npe [View]

    ... around $500k for getting certified.

    If you are willing to donate this to the JBoss project just contact Marc.
  • Big mouth, little facts
    2002-03-23 08:45:21  tom_1 [View]

    > It costs $20k

    Please provide a reference to this information. I don't believe you for one second.

    Looking at how successful the JBoss Group is in selling their JBoss server training, it would take them less than a week's worth of work to get this amount of money if that was all it would take (which it is not). Just in case you are able to do a little research, go dig out why Lutris for example couldn't get certified *while distributing source for their product*. You can read, can't you?

    > ask everyone who uses JBoss to contribute $1

    They would not need to ask anything. But then, the sum you fathomed up is not in any way in touch with the reality here.

    > I know I'd contribute to getting this product certified

    Yeah right. blah blah blah. I don't see you contributing jack shit. "But I *would*," you say. Yeah never heard that one before.

    Big mouth, little hands.

    > I'd be much happier if you DIDN'T make that choice.

    No one is asking you, you do not contribute in the integration work or maintenance of Tomcat integration. Tomcat was the only supported servlet engine for long while. It made sense to go with another product where the core developers are much more responsive and capable of meeting the needs that exist to integrate a servlet engine into a J2EE platform. Tomcat had its chance, now it looks like Jetty is much more better option. But hey, it's all open source. Go ahead and work on Tomcat integration. No one is stopping you. I will however bet my $1 of "certification donation" that you're unable to produce a single line of solid code.

    > I don't trust you.

    Read the fucking LGPL license. When you understand it, come back again.


  • Lay it on a little thicker, why don't you
    2002-03-22 14:03:12  mattd2 [View]

    I meant to write "you will destroy JBoss by making it private", not public as I had written.