JBoss: Sun Needs Us
Subject:   Jakarta isn't just Sun/IBM
Date:   2002-03-21 18:35:24
From:   jhunter
As someone involved with Jakarta, I find this statement odd:

> Jakarta is not an open source project
> in the pure community sense anymore.
> It is dominated by Sun/IBM employees.

The people most actively involved with Jakarta are listed at the URL

As you can see for yourself, Sun and IBM have just one representative each on the PMC. And I should point out Craig from Sun was hired by Sun only after he was already prominent in Apache so he could work full time on Apache projects of interest to Sun.

The committers list isn't complete but it shows just four individuals I believe currently work at Sun or IBM. A small handful beyond that are ex employees of Sun or IBM, but their involvement did not start and end at employment. That, in my opinion, indicates Jakarta is a healthy open source project in the "pure community sense".

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  • Jakarta isn't just Sun/IBM
    2002-03-22 02:54:14  ceki [View]

    Anglin: There has been much speculation of late regarding JBoss and
    Apache Jakarta. Could JBoss become a Jakarta project?

    Was anyone aware of this speculation? I sure wasn't.

    As for Jakarta not being an open source project in the pure community
    sense anymore, that is simply not true and Mark's statement was

    JBoss has much in common with Jakarta and the Apache Software
    Foundation as a whole. The two are natural allies. We should not waste
    our time and energy bickering among us.

    I intend to interpret Mark's comment on Jakarta as a call for dialogue
    rather than an attack.
    • Jakarta isn't just Sun/IBM
      2002-03-22 21:04:51  mattd2 [View]

      Oh, I don't know... Fleury has run his mouth off in the past, why not do it again? Clearly it's these kinds of divisive statements, made without considering the consequences that will cause the most problems in the long run in OpenSource. It disturbs me greatly that the interviewer didn't challenge these assertions, or at least show some depth of industry knowledge.

      My favorite comments by Mark were the ones regarding Lutris's decision to pull back Enhydra from OpenSource. We've since ceased all development and testing with Lutris because of that move (that and their software sucks in my opinion), but Mark called Lutris a bunch of sore losers for some write up or other Lutris had posted claiming OpenSource J2EE containers were in violation of Sun's licensing agreement. The statement decayed (literally words were removed over weeks and months) util the statement became benign. That says to me that there are other more level-headed forces in the JBoss Group. Let's hope they prevail. Mark may be a great engineer, but he's got a lot to learn about shooting his mouth off. He really comes off as an egotistical bastard.