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Article:		The Ultimate Portable Studio
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Date:		2005-07-06 11:39:13
From:		notheruz
Response to: Not a hugely impressive article.
"...my nephew quit Safari. ^%^%#^@#" Use Firefox and SessionSaver extension. Creative PC users do so. "... I went to a drummer's studio in NYC and installed the new M-Powered Pro Tools on a Laptop PC running Windows XP. We had to..." So, your point is that PC sucks, because Avid coders can't write software drivers for Windows? OK, I can't give bjobs either, because I'm a straight guy. Is that a serious argument? Office for Mac sucks too. Why is that? Because M$ can't code properly for Mac. Period. End of discussion. " Article: The Ultimate Portable Studio Subject: Not a hugely impressive article. Date: 2005-07-04 14:57:22 From: gfantsaez Response to: Not a hugely impressive article. I wrote you a long response and then my nephew quit Safari. ^%^%#^@# Sorry for the delay in responding... Ok let me start over again... First of all, I apologize if I ruffled any feathers calling you disgruntled. Obviously, you know your stuff and I respect everything you had to say. That doesn't mean that I agree with it. I too started doing music on a PC in 84 using an old program called Texture. Then I moved to Sequencer Plus until I discovered the Mac Plus and Performer in 89. I switched to Opcode's Studio Vision in 91 and then Pro Tools in 95 after they implemented MIDI. I have to speak from my own experience and say that installation on a PC is still quite a few more steps than a Mac, even in 2005. Just the simple fact that the Mac has a functional desktop (not just for shortcuts) rather than having to go to My Computer to see a hard drive, open a simple window or open a CD that was just inserted is a bit stupid in my opinion. As I said previously, last week I went to a drummer's studio in NYC and installed the new M-Powered Pro Tools on a Laptop PC running Windows XP. We had to install two sets of drivers, disable hyperthreading and then install Pro Tools. When we booted Pro Tools, it would not recognize the hardware. We called M-Audio and had to remove and re-install the drivers twice before Pro Tools would see the hardware. The drummer would never have been able to do this installation on his own. (And you mention OMS, most people 5 years ago couldn't configure that either.) I have spent a great portion of the last ten years doing support, installation and training around the country and I can tell you that when I convert a PC user to a Mac user, they are relieved and thrilled and always say, "this is so easy, why can't PC's be this easy?" Maybe it's become 2nd nature for you, but for most professional musicians, who have spent their careers playing an instrument or working with tape machines, computers are overwhelming. The mac is less overwhelming. If you do use both, you would have to agree that there is truth to that statement. Your 2nd paragraph talking about MIDI controllers - I agree with you that having a volume knob is convenient - but the audience to whom I was writing this artcle for, is most likely a bit intimidated by MIDI as well. Maybe not, but the Keystation 49e does have a Volume slider, just not the vast amount of sliders that the Oxygen or Radium has. I still think for "most" musicians (new to recording), the sliders are not that neccessary and not really used. "Lets talk sofware." "Cubase: Hate it. Nuendo: Love it." See? You obviously* have no idea about what you're talking. We're talking about two identical applications, although Nuendo has more "post" features. But we're talking about music making. They are the SAME applications. Identical. Oh, wait, they come with a different default colour scheme! "Pro Tools is the standard in professional music" I'm already bored hearing that same old argument. Hey, a century passed :) If you want to talk using examples, I will do it. Let's take Hans Zimmer. A Cubase/GigaStudio user, with tons of rigs and tons of awards. How's that for creativity and professionalism? "...the Mac was made for creativity and it is. It ships with software to do music, photos, video, etc and the Apple software is simple, brilliantly designed and easy to use. It all works together." You pay DOUBLE. If you pay the same amount for a PC with Software , you'll get at least the same, with more power to boot. I don't want to pay for pretty icons and transitions effects. I won't pay for iPhoto, I'll use Gimp (excellent). I will use OpenOffice. I will use Lilypond (the best notation output, period). Creative guys/girls should have figured it out by now.

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2005-08-18 21:53:26 SoJaded [Reply | View]

One thing you seem to overlook is that this is a portable studio which Gina stated was optimum for engineering a live performance. Using band players, vocalists and maybe some electronic musicians who are performing on stage and require a live mix to be done. What she has presented is a fantastic application of both hardware and software for this purpose. It's not designed to be a production suite. But everything she has put forward here replaces a 16 channel (or more) mixing desk, an FX control rack, a synthesiser rack, DAT or other tape recording device.

In response your argument about assigning a midi controller to change volume, I have to say that this is just stupid. Firstly, if I'm on a keyboard with only 16 assignable controllers, I am not going to waste one of them on a volume control. I'd use it for something more valuable (like cutoff or resonance or some synth control). I don't know any musician who would waste one on volume. In fact, I don't know any musician who would want to change the volume of their channels while they are playing. If they want to change the intensity of their notes, they will play them softer or harder on the keys... That's velocity mate... use it. Secondly, Gina made it pretty clear that this application was for engineering a live performance, either solo or with a band. If I was doing such a thing, I wouldn't use a fader to change the level of one of my parts. I'd just use the mouse because it saves my controllers (as stated) and also because it's not like I am going to be majorly changing the volume during performance. I would have set my levels during sound check and to do this, mouse would be sufficient anyway. After the sound check, I would only make minor changes throughout the performance as required.

It's a great article because it pretty much agrees with any producer or engineer I have discussed this with has recommended for a laptop system. Though there are some softwares and hardwares that she hasn't mentioned, I can still see how they would relate to and function in a setup like this. Gina made quite clear from the outset that this wasn't an article telling you what you should use. She was sharing her own application with us to give us an idea. The message I got from her article was "Take what you want from this setup and incorporate it with your own rig".

And you are a disgruntled PC user that obviously has a serious issue with Macs. You've provided no constructive feedback or arguments to support your opinion. All you've done is nitpick the author's comments and even down to her internet browsing methods.

Gina is not asking you to conform to her application. You're talking about something creative here. If you were really involved in this artform you wouldn't be debating her points so much. Artists collaborate and support each other. They give each other advice and guidance when required and they work together. Sorry mate, but no matter what arguments you present, you will not prove your point of view is right. The application this article discusses is brilliant for collaboration, both with technical and non-technical users...

Oh, and thanks for the article, it's been very helpful.

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2005-08-19 13:59:59 gfantsaez [Reply | View]

If only you had been around to defend me in grade school...

I love you!!! Thank you for your support. It is so much appreciated.

Gina

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2005-08-25 20:44:04 SoJaded [Reply | View]

No, thankyou for the article. It's got some good tips in it and it's really been a help for me over the last few weeks. I'm in the process of compiling a checklist of everything I need to get a home studio that makes the cut for higher end productions.

I've also given it to a few of my newbie friends that are having troubles getting their heads around all of the electro-jargon you have to cop when you first get into this field, and they are now much more comfortable with their base knowledge.

See, I don't agree with all of your opinions on hardware/software either. But then, I am using my gear for different purposes, so I wouldn't expect that we would agree. But the kind of arguments against your article that I've read from other readers just shows that they are not really involved in this creative industry because I've never heard a real artist or producer speak like this to their peers. So I thought I should stick up for you.

Once again, thanks for the article Gina, I really enjoyed it.

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2005-07-07 06:57:33 dscotson [Reply | View]

Your Mac knowledge seems a bit outdated, maybe that's why you can't understand that recommending a Mac for someone building a portable studio is hardly the shocking outrage that you seem to think it is. Some examples:

* All the Open Source software you mention (Gimp, OpenOffice, Lilypond) runs on Mac OS X
* iPhoto and the Gimp do entirely different things (maybe you meant Photoshop (elements?) for the Mac or F-Spot for Gnome?) Not that it really matters given point one above and the fact that iPhoto is bundled with new Macs.
* Macs do not cost double the price of brand name PCs.
* Mac Office is generally considered to be better than the PC version (and so was Mac Internet Explorer before it was abandoned). Period. End of discussion :-)

Hopefully your comments about audio software have more substance.

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2005-07-07 11:08:04 gfantsaez [Reply | View]

You tell him!! Thank you so much. Well said.

Gina

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2005-07-06 12:51:44 gfantsaez [Reply | View]

I'd sure hate to see you on a bad day... Ever hear of anger management??

Nuendo and Cubase are NOT the same app at all. You obviously are not a professional...

You stick with your Gimpy software and I will happily stick with my mac and Pro Tools along with all the other "professionals" in the music industry....

Lighten up.

Gina