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  Cat Fight in a Pet Store: J2EE vs. .NET
Subject:   .NET vs Java is bigger issue than just code
Date:   2001-11-29 19:35:33
From:   fernieds
The article Cat fight in a Pet store that you wrote was awesome. Pardon my Gen X enthusiasm. But it seems that the cat fight is in fact a bigger issue than just code.


It is clear that microsoft is not offering anything new or improved with .NET. to the
development community. It can also
be argued in fact that the motive of Microsoft is not produce a better widget.


The motive of microsoft is to repackage open standards as a Microsoft product
to be marketed to masses who are not educated in such matters for the purpose of perpetuating what has been legally declared a monopoly.


Micosoft wants to use its 95% of market share as leverage to create a monopoly
of a different form. Microsoft is not interested in the advancement of the
Computer Sciences or open standards. It is interested in Gestapo marketing tactics to make money from Computer Illiterate masses that comprise the market space they occupy.


Unfortunately most people are not concerned with how the internet works, they only care
that it works as Microsoft has conditioned them for it to work.


This will come unfortunately at the expense of those who are true to what good
coding practice is all about.


It is up to the open source community to expose .NET for what it is, a cheap rip off
of existing standards. If it gets a death grip on the internet and eventually
becomes coupled with windows based API’s, things will be grim.
I must pause, what a scary thought that was.


The technical detail of your article is greatly appreciated, it has verified
my suspicion with facts.



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  • .NET vs Java is bigger issue than just code
    2002-01-04 08:28:42  normankma [View]

    Yes, you have stated a well practiced
    business practice, not just in the software
    industry, but a general accepted business
    principle.

    Microsoft packages technology to the general
    public and Sun Microsystems seem to be doing
    more intellectual lifting. Kudos to both.

    What is scary is that we don't have any law makers whom has a technology background.
    • .NET vs Java is bigger issue than just code
      2004-01-02 11:08:24  anonymous2 [View]

      All these programmer yacking about Java design this and multiplatform OS that...its all bullshit to the user and more often then not, probably always...a user of a web app or heavy client will ALWAYS choose the faster loading web page or windows application built using Win32 on the Windows OS (respectively). I have seen, heard and stood by as numerous Java projects have failed due to over engineering, poor performance, un maintainable code and over budget development cycles (trying to “tune” of course). DAO is bullshit (especially the term “database agnostic”—USE the DATABASE) in an environment where performance is critical (and please NAME a prevalent business context where performance is not an issue!), and of course, those programmers that do, are the “programmers and architects” that consider performance as a “side note” or “not always as important”. Try telling that to the insurance data entry clerk trying to meet quota for the day or the home user waiting for their product page to render while their kid screams in the background! GET REAL PROGRAMMERS stop living in your BLOG world where the only discussions and inputs that count are those of your fellow geeks and clueless CTO’s.

      MS makes products that people want and the support and documentation is superior. Some programmers HAVE A LIFE and do not want to work 16-18 hour days playing with or god forbid “tuning” poorly document containers and learning “new” Java standards. Java has TOO many influences, too many contributors and in essence each will be benevolent to its downfall. You see, there is NO single point of authority only a disparate and discouraged community that has lost touch with what quality software IS….screw cross platform (write C++ if you want to run on n platforms…can you say FLASH!)….performance, usability and maintainability are paramount. Java will end up like Perl…barely used and regulated to a few geeks creating about 10% of the web sites in world….

      By the way…look at your next pay check and thank Bill for it…because without him your beloved “industry” and open source community would still be anonymous and confined to some lame university research center.

      jason
      • .NET vs Java is bigger issue than just code
        2006-08-19 00:17:09  jakson [View]

        Windows servers are sh*t... So the root is sh*t. They are often loaded with virus and worms but cost a lot. Now, no matter how good .NET is (it is actually pretty sh*ty too), it is built on top of sh*t. You see the point! Java might be slow and yes you are right they are tons of sh*t developers sucking money through it, but many choices are out there - NOT more sh*t.
  • .NET vs Java is bigger issue than just code
    2003-12-18 19:51:56  anonymous2 [View]

    "It is clear that microsoft is not offering anything new or improved with .NET. to the
    development community."

    The .NET CLI is very much an improvement for the development community.

    "The motive of microsoft is to repackage open standards as a Microsoft product
    to be marketed to masses who are not educated..."

    That statement itself is pure flaming IMO!

    "Micosoft wants to use its 95% of market share..."

    Yet another uneducated statement as Microsoft by far does not entertain a 95% market share in server side technologies (what you are mentioning is their Desktop OS and browser market share), which J2EE and .NET are within the scope of this article.

    "...they only care
    that it works as Microsoft has conditioned them for it to work."

    Conditioning isn't a flaw introduced by Microsoft, it is merely a part of marketing which is employed by any vendor - SUN too.

    "It is up to the open source community to expose .NET for what it is, a cheap rip off
    of existing standards."

    The open source community has exposed .NET for what it is. Not a cheap rip off of existing standards, but a much needed evolution of J2EE already great architecture. None less than Ximian have launched the MONO project bringing the .NET Framework to the open source community and porting it to virtually any other hardware/OS vendor. Since the open source community rarely does something without a true need and appreciation, I believe that is a compelling statement in favour of .NET. Apart from that, C# and the .NET Framework are open standards themselves, embrace (here and their unobtrusively extend them too) open standards, and are only tied to Windows API's where it was feasable beyond doubt!

    Concluding, I think it is healthy for J2EE to have a competitor and .NET IMO is certainly proving to be a noteworthy competitor that will hopefully force SUN to reconsider their sluggish responsiveness.