What's So Java About Sun's Linux Desktop?
Subject:   Hardened? Integrated?
Date:   2004-10-08 09:28:24
From:   Sandsloth
"Hardened" and "Desktop System" are oxymorons. Using older software and careful design does not make for a "hardened" system.

I also resent Slackware Linux being grouped in with Fedora Linux. Slackware Linux is a slow-moving, carefully-built distribution built to be the most Unix-like Linux. Slackware is also the oldest Linux distribution, its team having some 10 years of experience in maintaining the Slackware system (which has legendary stability). It's design is impeccable, and I have never used a more stable system.

Fedora, on the other hand, is Red Hat's gift to the Open Source world - a beta version of Red Hat Linux. A good example of the way that Red Hat cares about the OSS community is when Fedora shipped with a buggy bootloader that made other operating systems unbootable. Would you ever find that in Slackware? Never, so please remember not to group these two distributions together.

Of course a system can be integrated when it does not even use the proper names of the applications that it contains. Sun Microsystems basically uses code that took years to develop and strips it of its identity (and thus the credit given to the hard-working group of programmers that spent so much time developing it).

JDS may be in use on Sun Opteron workstations, but I have yet to see it integrate the sort of server tools and management capabilities to migrate it away from anything but a simple desktop environment for the average user. Until then, in my mind it will simply be a small desktop distribution that does not warrant the serious consideration that can be given to SuSe and RHEL (especially now that both are being ported to more powerful architectures).

Until Sun gets serious about supporting OSS instead of just leeching without giving back anything (much less credit), I will never give JDS a consideration. I will stick with more secure, stable, and mature Linux distributions rather than Sun's latest pretty-looking dumbed-down desktop system.

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  • Hardened? Integrated?
    2004-10-18 18:05:24  gdriggs [View]

    Just to clarify, Slackware is the oldest, currently developed Linux dist. There are some that predate it that are no longer maintained, including Ygdrassil IIRC. As for your choice to boycott JDS, that's certainly yours to make. But while you're at it, you might also consider never purchasing Novell's SUSE Linux Desktop. It's what JDS is built on which is in turn based on SUSE 8.1. You can confirm this by comparing the versions of glibc (2.2.5) and Linux kernel used (2.4.19) in all three distributions. As for the server and management tools you're speaking of, what relevance do they have for a desktop OS? JDS has management tools but they're designed for managed entire LANs of desktops, not for services running on each host. I think your mention of enterprise Linux distributions has no bearing on the discussion of desktops.
    • Enterprise?
      2004-10-18 18:15:09  gdriggs [View]

      I suppose I should do my own clarifying... I think you're confusing enterprise desktop OSs with enterprise server OSs. It's the equivalent of claiming that Windows 2003 Server is worse or better than Windows XP Pro for deploying on serveral hundred, thousand, or ten thousand desktops. Sun JDS is an enterprise desktop OS. Sun Solaris is an enterprise server OS. Red Hat Enterprise Linux is an enterprise server OS. Red Hat's Fedora is a desktop OS. SUSE Linux desktop is an enterprise desktop OS. SUSE Enterprise Server 9 is self explanatory. SUSE Linux Pro and Personal are desktop OSs but not enterprise desktop OSs. Mac OS Apple is not the same as Mac OS Orange.
      • Enterprise?
        2005-04-21 17:32:29  llBourneAgainll [View]

        Your wrong about RHEL. RHEL is not a server OS vs Fedora being a desktop OS. RHEL AS and ES are server os's. RHEL WS is a Workstation (Power User Desktop) os. Fedora is an all pourpose OS (Server, Workstation, Desktop), which is constantly updated and used to test features before they are integrated into, or to see if they are even worth integrating into RHEL. That is exactley what redhat/fedora's websites say, and from my experience I find it to be true. Solaris is also meant to be used as either a server or a workstaiton. So poo on you!