As a person of few morals and not being religious, I hope I have some impact by saying, remember the "Golden Rule"? It's a truth that is unbecoming in the comments I've seen posted. I'm an application developer and though I've "played" around with *hacking* (mostly just on my own boxes), I don't go around messing with my employers' computers. They simply aren't mine to do with as I please. Sure, I've installed SETI before, I've installed Napster before, and other 3rd-party software on *my* work computer. But, never took advantage of being in the position to install software across my employer's network. Go home and setup a small network if you want.
Basically, the case needs to be prosecuted and a *small* fine be imposed. The incident wasn't malicious and it was, or it seems, innocent. And, in reply to an earlier post questioning the merit of a severe punishment for a personal gain of *only* $1000 -- there's absolutely no logical reason to bring up the dollar amount ... $1 - $1000000 ... doesn't matter. The point is there was personal gain involved, regardless of the amount.
In conclusion, how'd some of you network admins out there like it if someone that you gave network access to (outside of your organization - say a client with ftp access), installed scripts that they could run remotely on your systems anytime they wanted just to use your system's idle time? ... I think you'd mind just a little.
Joe
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Hey Joe! Where u goin with that gun in your hand?
2001-08-02 14:59:21
jakereuben
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Dear Sir,
Before commeting on what was wrote, you may want to pay more careful attention to detail. The point concerning the dollar amount is valid. If you re-read the post you will see that what I wrote is this: David was trying for the "chance"
to win $1000, he wasn't owed $1000 which is what fraud would be. So therefore the dollar amount does matter. And also you may want to check your local laws as well. Them anount taken does matter in realtion to the severity of a crime. An exapmle would be theft of $50 of merchandise may be a Class C misdemanor but theft of $500 of merchandise would be a Class A misdemeanor- each carrying a different possibility of puinishment. Also Joe, the gold rule you refer to is this: "do unto others as you would have them do to you" The question is since the State of Georgia is a Great Big Enormous Power that can send its citizens to jail for 30 years for putting a program on some computers that did nothing mailicious- since the State holds the course of the future of that man in their hands- the question now falls into their lap, "how would you like to be treated?" David already broke the golden rule apparently (by your text) so therefore it would be moot to try an apply the Golden Rule at this point, dont ya think? Joe, I think you just wrote that letter to show us your knowledge of computers. Either way there is a man out there facig thirty years and an enormous fine for doing what? Putting a program on a computer. Maybe the state knows more about the operation of that program than even lil o David did... Is that what has you so bothered State of Georgia? Direct your anger then not at the first one you can grab but at the real offender.
Before commeting on what was wrote, you may want to pay more careful attention to detail. The point concerning the dollar amount is valid. If you re-read the post you will see that what I wrote is this: David was trying for the "chance"
to win $1000, he wasn't owed $1000 which is what fraud would be. So therefore the dollar amount does matter. And also you may want to check your local laws as well. Them anount taken does matter in realtion to the severity of a crime. An exapmle would be theft of $50 of merchandise may be a Class C misdemanor but theft of $500 of merchandise would be a Class A misdemeanor- each carrying a different possibility of puinishment. Also Joe, the gold rule you refer to is this: "do unto others as you would have them do to you" The question is since the State of Georgia is a Great Big Enormous Power that can send its citizens to jail for 30 years for putting a program on some computers that did nothing mailicious- since the State holds the course of the future of that man in their hands- the question now falls into their lap, "how would you like to be treated?" David already broke the golden rule apparently (by your text) so therefore it would be moot to try an apply the Golden Rule at this point, dont ya think? Joe, I think you just wrote that letter to show us your knowledge of computers. Either way there is a man out there facig thirty years and an enormous fine for doing what? Putting a program on a computer. Maybe the state knows more about the operation of that program than even lil o David did... Is that what has you so bothered State of Georgia? Direct your anger then not at the first one you can grab but at the real offender.
Still a Proud Texan
Jake C Reuben