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  A Musician's Take on File Sharing, DRM, and Copyleft Licensing
Subject:   from John, an unsigned artist
Date:   2003-08-01 11:34:38
From:   anonymous2
nor do i plan to get signed by a major label. i'm glad that most people are of the mind set that artists should be paid for the work they do. i was not impressed by the post where someone told a working musician to get off his ass and do more shows a week when he was already doing 4-5 shows a week. there's a guy doing it himself, puting out good music, gigging, and trying to provide his fans with a good sounding product. please support that. most people do, from what i've read.
anyone who thinks music should be free is just wrong. it will never be, not because I SAY so, but because of the constitutional rights of copyright given to creators of art and science. if you want things to keep progressing, we've got to support innovative minds.
labels are desperate, they're going down. they're signing deals that have as much as 50% royalties to the artist!!!! not that that's not the way it should have been since the beginning, but that's where it's going. i think we'll see more of our artist friend out there working the scene themselves with their own exclusive label. however, all those people who said that bands should tour to get money, who do you think fronts the money for tour support? THE LABEL. ticket prices are going up becaues labels don't have money to put towards touring. so pretty soon everyone will be bitching about that, too. so artists will start to loose more money there. then the only thing people will do is steal music. there's got to be money going to the artists somehow.
look at it this way--i'll utilize the benefits of file sharing to illustrate...you live in california and you find a great band in florida, "gator inflator", over file sharing. but you don't pay for the music because you're going to support them by seeing one of their shows. meanwhile, gator inflator is on their own label, doing REALLY well, pulling in about 300,000. each guy of this 4 piece band pulls in about 75,000 a year. now do you think that if the labels are weary of sending bands on tour since it's not a big money maker that four dudes from florida are going to embark on a nationwide tour with the anticipation that they'll turn a profit? it will rarely happen. it's great that they got their exposure to you, but it's really a shame that you, as a fan, stole their music when you could have bought it for $.80-1.00.
my main concern is people who think music should be free. artists work as hard as anyone else with the added stress of risk. if they know that their stuff is good and that they have a big audience and fan base, but the money is not coming in, how long do you think they will stay in the business (ESPECIALLY if it's their own)? don't steal candy, don't steal cars, don't steal music--support the artists you listen to...i know i could use it!
check out mp3.com/ushers. there's free downloads, and if you like those you can order our old cd for $5 and the new one for $8. later all!
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  • from John, an unsigned artist
    2003-08-28 07:12:05  anonymous2 [View]

    You know what, im tired of hearing people complain about the artist and lables losing money because of mp3 sharing. They may be losing money but look at it this way, these "artist" get payed hundreds of thousands even millions of dollars TO SING A FRIGIN SONG. When they have a real job working 17 hours a day in a plant having to support a family, then they can bitch about losing a few thousand dollars due to people not wanting to pay 17 bucks for a cd with 2 good songs on it and the rest be shit. Until then they can just shut their damn mouths. They can come live in my shoes or hell half of Americas shoes and see that its not as easy as singing a song to make a fuckin living. They can come live a real life and understand why normal people dont wanna pay to listen to their favorite songs. Im not an artist, maybe thats why i still understand that you shouldnt have to pay to listen to a song, but i guess since im not a millionare piece of shit snobby artist that my opinion doesnt count.
    So does losing a little bit of money sound as bad as losing all your fans instead. Use your head its ok have your frigin copy rights. NO ONE WANTS TO STEAL IT WE JUST WANT TO HEAR IT. So quit bitchin and do some actual work tour more make more of an effort. Get back to reality.

    NATE
    • from John, an unsigned artist
      2004-12-20 13:44:24  motion [View]

      Hi John, producer
      Just curious to know why you are so angry over something that you just admitted you don't much about - No being an artist and all. I see that I am a could of year off. haha. But I will respond anyways. Artist do not make as much as you think. The Madonna's, Janet Jackson's and Michael Jackson's of this industry only account for less then 10% of the artists on these labels. 90% of all albums on ALL label fail to recoup. That is a fact. The producer, writers, publishers and record companies are the ones who make money. The artist is pimped pretty much. And in case you didn't know the artist also gets paid LAST. Therefore the writer, producer, publisher and company get most of their money before the album recoup. IF it recoups. This is not hidden information, so instead of getting upset about these artist wanting to get paid, then educate yourself to figure out why 100% of the artist are getting screwed. Learn the laws of copyright/ contracts and industry practise before you dig your whole that you are not supporting by the way. The artist does not price the album, the record company does and bills the artists for all expenses. The list is long my friend. Remember this is 90% business and 10% music (if that much) The work more than 17hrs. by the way and have a family to support. Don't put all artist (an industry you know nothing about) in this category you feel they are in. Appearance is EVERYTHING in this industry therefore you BETTER look RICH because you are the PRODUCT (not the artist) you are are PRODUCT. All I am trying to say is. You are so far off your mark it ain't even funny. You can now chose to learn more about this or stay ignorant on the topic - your choice but DON"T GET MAD when you choose to be ignorant on THIS topic of MP3 and downloading. By the way - why do you listen to music or watch tv and film/ video games or radio? should all of those be free? Just because it is entertainment. What do you do for a living? How about you work for me for free. You don't seem to mind that concept. If someone puts work into it, then you should pay to use it. END OF STORY.

      We haven't even touched on how royalties work either. haha. Man go check out http://stuffo.howstuffworks.com/recording-contract.htm


      And you will see just a glimpse of why artists are upset with downloading. You don't know this industry so don't make uneducated comments - you would laugh if you saw how much an artist makes pure CD sold. I can tell you this much. It is less than 10% of the retail price (minus, packaging, video, touring, advances, producer, manager, free goods etc.) In fact most artist own the label money after their career. Why do you think they use the term "BUY OUT". haha.

      kind regards,

      producer

  • from John, an unsigned artist
    2003-08-28 07:11:57  anonymous2 [View]

    You know what, im tired of hearing people complain about the artist and lables losing money because of mp3 sharing. They may be losing money but look at it this way, these "artist" get payed hundreds of thousands even millions of dollars TO SING A FRIGIN SONG. When they have a real job working 17 hours a day in a plant having to support a family, then they can bitch about losing a few thousand dollars due to people not wanting to pay 17 bucks for a cd with 2 good songs on it and the rest be shit. Until then they can just shut their damn mouths. They can come live in my shoes or hell half of Americas shoes and see that its not as easy as singing a song to make a fuckin living. They can come live a real life and understand why normal people dont wanna pay to listen to their favorite songs. Im not an artist, maybe thats why i still understand that you shouldnt have to pay to listen to a song, but i guess since im not a millionare piece of shit snobby artist that my opinion doesnt count.
    So does losing a little bit of money sound as bad as losing all your fans instead. Use your head its ok have your frigin copy rights. NO ONE WANTS TO STEAL IT WE JUST WANT TO HEAR IT. So quit bitchin and do some actual work tour more make more of an effort. Get back to reality.
    • from John, an unsigned artist
      2005-07-28 16:27:47  green211 [View]

      all I can say is if you don't really know much about the music industry keep your stupid opinions to yourself.U sound alittle ignorant......... if u think working at a wack ass factor for 17 hours is something, u should try sittin in the studio for 17 hours.It ain't a walk in the park.
  • from John, an unsigned artist
    2003-08-01 12:49:49  anonymous2 [View]

    Right on, John! I, too, am an unsigned artist, and have been for the past 40 years in the music business. If I tour, it has to be booked in advance (by me) and the money has to come from somewhere. By me selling my CDs, tapes, whatever, paid for out of my own pocket (Don't quit your day job). If I post my stuff on-line I get a crap-load of publicity, but no gigs, and no money. Therefore, I won't post it. If anyone else does, that's piracy, plain and simple. And anyone who makes musical noises by sampling may be creating an artistic statement of some kind, but it ain't music, and they ain't musicians. Musicians are people who play instruments and/or sing, not computer techs. Consequently, the dreck that passes for "music" these days is only suitable for brain-dead twits that wouldn't know a major from a flat-9-flat-5. So you goofs go ahead and steal all you want from major labels, they've been ripping off the artist forever, and the AFofM has been a willing co-conspirator. And by stealing our music, you become just one more person ripping off the artist. While you're doing that, I'll play music, real music, live music, for friends and fans, and sell my CDs/tapes/whatever off the front of the stand between sets. But for every one hour of public performance, I've probably put in 5-10 hours of practice. The public is mis-guided because we call it "playing" music. Any musician who's been on the road, or who's spent a half-hour trying to master one God-damned riff by playing it over and over again `til you're ready to barf; those musicians will tell you it's anything but "playing". Then why do we do it? Because we HAVE to. If nobody listened at all, we'd still be playing and singing. And we always will. You non-musician pirates and sample goofs will never understand that, nor acheive the satisfaction we derive from the actual creation of actual music. Hang in there John, we probably won't get to the "helicopter and limo" level of show business, but who wants to be "flavor of the week" anyhow? (signed) Unsigned in Canada
    • from John, an unsigned artist
      2004-12-20 14:39:44  motion [View]

      Hi there,

      I agree with what you said however I disagree with the sampling part. It doesn't sound like you fully understand how sampling is done because you lumped everyone in this one category. And by the way, most people who sample DO NOT consider themselves musicians. haha. And in fact there are plenty of producers who do play instruments but CHOOSE not to do so. Which I disagree with. Live instruments will never go out of style. You would be surprised what big name artist sample. ie. James Brown. haha. Not very many people know that. And if the producer was amazing at sampling - you would never know that they sampled it. My friend I could sample your music and tell you which songs I used and you still could not identify it. Music is changing and it all depends on how artist/musicians/producers use those tools. My friend, everyone/ producer samples differently. Some are damn ugly at it and some do need their credit. But if you have NEVER heard of a wicked producer who samples and know how they sample then you are choosing to stay uniformed. Sampling comes in many shapes and sizes. You would be surprised. Even orchestra productions sample. haha. And I bet some of your favourite artists sampled 1 or 2 notes here or there in the studio - Just for fun. haha. It can help in the development of music or it can kill. And right now I think it is killing it. (at least with the commercial artist) Unless you know underground, again don't stay uniformed. Sampling ranges from sampling even a midi (not playing it) to sampling from previously recorded music / sounds which consists of 1 note to a whole loop. That is how it can vary. Check out the ROOTS - they do both. That is what I mean. And if you are basing this souly on what you hear on the radio then you have not aware of what is our there. Producers who sample do not want to be musicians. haha. That is why they sample. Furthermore many of them have bands who play their samples/ beat and create from that as the foundation. If you don't know what I am talking about then again, you have not done your research. Sorry to rant like this, but you insulted a group that know nothing about. Not all sampling is stealing by the way. Check out cc - a new form of copyright. ARTIST are supporting this. haha. because they know and understand the different forms of sample. Hell they even sample their own music. haha.

      And again, I do agree "actually playing" the music is the thing to do, but I can create sounds and beats that you would like but didn't know it was 100% sampled, and get my band to play it later when they are all together (by the way that is another way of sampling)

      And if you have a problem with sampling then don't get mad at the producers/ beat makers - get mad at the promoter of it (the record companies and the radio stations)



      Signed,


      Don't Wanna Be A Musician. haha.

      Peace out.