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A Musician's Take on File Sharing, DRM, and Copyleft Licensing | |
| Subject: | Mp3 Helps, the record industy hurt themselves | |
| Date: | 2003-06-28 11:57:22 | |
| From: | anonymous2 | |
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Response to: Mp3 Helps, the record industy hurt themselves
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You are all a bunch of ignorant monkey fucks. I have heared all this talk about a "revolution" in the music industry, but no comments on how this is to come about or how it is to work. How is the artist(s) supposed to pay for his or her recording, distribution, and promotion without a record label? How is he/she supposed to profit from it when their music can be downloaded for free? If someone could please enlighten me on how this is supposed to work, i might change my mind on the subject.
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Mp3 Helps, the record industy hurt themselves
2003-08-12 05:05:13 anonymous2 [Reply | View]
Ignorant monkey fucks..I think not...yes you work hard to become sucessful, as do we all, so you are not alone there... (point.. mute) as for where will your money come from. well, if your any good, people will go to your concerts (paid for by the fans who go to your concerts)money in your pocket. t-shirt sales and misc other items with your bands signature on them...money in your pocket... appearances paid for by advertisers..money in your pocket...oh ya.. the cd's in the stores...you have to buy them before you can swap them... money in your pocket..computer...$1500.00 example..isp.. $30.00 and misc other crap you need to access the p2p programs...$50.00 (guessing) so how are we getting this for free and where are you losing money? not everyone in the world owns a computer and has access to the file swapping so they will be out there buying your cd's... (that's you making money) so how are you losing? everyone is making money in this business.. they just may not be able to afford the 50 million dollar mansion and will have to settle for the 20 million dollar mansion, do I feel bad for them..hell no !!!! there will always be music and music swapping no matter what happens with this suit.. and yes, there will always be cd's being made too.. Just depends on how good you are and if the world wants to hear your music.. so, in closing, everyone in the music business needs to stop whining about the all mighty dollar and listen to the people who buy the product and lower the prices of the cd's and give up on this rediculous suit. If the swappers really wanted to make a statement.. they could always boycott the music industry and then where will they be... no money for them and no money for you... guess where not all that bad now are we... we are putting the money in your pockets so why not think about the people who make you famous... that would be us.. the file swappers who enjoy and buy! your music! Gotta buy it to swap it!!! an ignorant monkey..signing off....GO SWAPPERS!
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Mp3 Helps, the record industy hurt themselves
2003-07-23 07:15:58 anonymous2 [Reply | View]
well you should work hard all other people work had everyday and if you want money play live and work like the rest of the world you ass! why should you put out a couple of songs and reap in money forever without you working bullshit tour
for your money music should be free to listen to
and if it is good we will see and pay to see you in concert
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My point of view (By IceDude)
2003-07-21 07:03:36 anonymous2 [Reply | View]
Bare with me here, I'm trying to be as objective as possible.
Let's take a look at some basic facts we might be able to all agree on.
- People buy less CD's
The first one is the obvious one :) Still, often forgotten when flaming each other over the P2P issue.
The logical question is of course:
Why?
This is where people get guessing and claiming they know better.
"The problem with not getting to an answer often lies with not understanding the problem"
To get closer to the core of the problem (and closer to the answer) I'll introduce another element.
- The amount of people listening to music has not decreased.
Again, a simple fact. As far as 1+1=2, so can you merge the first fact, with the second one.
Resulting into something like this:
- People have other means of listening to music than simply buying CD's
To fully understand this concept, we must ask ourselves two questions:
- What ways of getting music are there?
- Why do people use these means?
Both complex answers that can be answered fairly simply.
I'll divide the answers of the first one in main groups (accordingly to the main problem):
- Static free media
- Static paid-for media
- Dynamic free media
- Dynamic paid-for media
And for the second one:
- Preferences
Static media refers to a medium of which you can't change the content. e.g. radio, TV, commercial CD's, etc. The free part refers mainly to TV, radio, and the likes, because you only pay for the means of getting the content, rather than the content itself. (As for CD's you pay for the content)
Same goes for dynamic media. With a difference that dynamic refers to mediums that can give the content of choice. e.g. P2P networks, Internet services that sell costume CD's, etc.
Now we have enough information to describe the problem.
Out of the four groups mentioned, we pick the two that are in conflict with each other:
- Static paid-for media
- Dynamic free media
These two groups are the biggest of the four mentioned above. To specify even more wouldn't be objective anymore. But we can say where the "voice" of these two groups is situated.
Mainly the RIAA and the music labels for the static paid-for media, and the P2P Networks for the dynamic free media.
Back to our first fact:
- People buy less CD's
And the one why they use the mediums they use:
- Preferences
+ a new one, which we can all agree on:
- More and more people use P2P Networks
This is where people start to make mistakes.
They conclude out of the above three facts:
- More and more People prefer P2P Networks over CD's
Which, in there eyes, means that for everyone who downloads a song over a P2P Network and keeps it on there PC, without buying it, steals some of the rightful money otherwise made by buying a CD. Which makes P2P illegal as it harms the industry and promotes stealing.
The problem with this assumption is that it's flawed. It's based on a flawed equation of elements, consisting of two different groups (because it's possible for someone to belong to these two groups at the same time, it becomes impossible to add them to each other). If we correct the basic equation, it would look more like this. 1+1 and 1+1 = 2 and 2.
Again, back to our first fact:
- People buy less CD's
And the one why they use the mediums they use:
- Preferences
+ the new one about P2P:
- More and more people use P2P Networks
And again the one why they use the mediums they use:
- Preferences
These would result into:
- The preference to buy CD's is dropping
- The preference to use P2P Networks is rising
Again, this is as far as you can compare these two elements without seizing to be objective.
(As they are two different elements AND come from two different groups)
Again, back to the basics:
- People buy less CD's
Both sides have their ideas on solving this.
Some P2P enthusiasts clamed the music industry has to evolve to survive, while the RIAA aims at stopping P2P.
Lets look at these two solutions.
The first one is aimed at adapting. The music industry has a vast grip on all forms of static media. Adapting to P2P by imitating there "advantages" (by offering a form of dynamic content), and surpassing them with things digital media can't offer (such as certain quality's, ease of use and bonus stuff/material... etc.) could give the music industry a stable base to build on. Although they will have to live with the fact that allot of people will have their songs, before they'll even consider buying them.
The second one is the way of the RIAA.
It's based on statistics and charts that show that P2P is one of the fastest growing means of getting songs. As I said before, the general assumption they have is flawed. They do not see "a new public" for which they have to adapt their content to accordingly, but merely the same people now getting things for free. Although the assumption is based on a flawed equation, the solution they aim for is equally efficient. Eliminate the competition and get 100% control over the market again. The problem for the RIAA is that new consumer groups have the tendency of growing really large really fast. They are somewhat aware of this fact and try to stop P2P now, while they believe they still can.
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Mp3 Helps, the record industy hurt themselves
2003-07-04 00:04:47 anonymous2 [Reply | View]
So, it is now reduced to Use Net language,ie calling us p2p'rs "Monkey F**Ks" does not improve your status, keep it civil. And you lost the track of the point, and that being the RIAA has been lying thru it's mouthpieces, Hillary and Carey to the artist's, the consumer's and the Congress most of all. We are not saying we will not purchase CD's or whatever media format comes out in the future. We are saying "Stop the Lies and Hypocracy". See Sony /Phillips are both members of the RIAA and they gave us the consumers the CD player and recorder, smell a rat here yet?? They both get royalty's on all products and media, so why are they whining?? The obvious anwser is that they truely are "Pigopolist's", as are all RIAA member labels that are supporting the consumer war. What happened to the FTC's suit of price fixing?? That seems to have gone to a back shelf at their offices somewhere, soon after "Mr Bush and the Forty Thieve's" took office. Where are our $12.00+/- that the RIAA settled with the FTC for the long years of screwing the consumer?? Did you get yours?? I did not and has been months since it was settled and I have yet to see even a discount coupon(that I will be more than happy to torch in front of Sam Goody's if and when it ever arrives in my mailbox)
P2P for all it's faults has brought me to 2 groups I will now mention. The Gathering Field(http://www.gatheringfield.com) and Shamall(http://www.shamall.com), if I had not been searching for an out of catalog song. I have since ordered a few of their CD's and they are NOT RIAA affiliated. Until the artists and writers are given their royalty's as gauranteed under the law(which has been perverted to the label's whims), prices of a new CD with acceptable content to me the consumer are reduced by at least 1/2 the current prices, the DMCA and any such hinerances such as TCPA/DRM are tabled permenantly, I will never ever purchase any CD by any artist of a RIAA member label again(I used to purchase 10-15 per month, even when I was downloading on Napster), I will buy RIAA member labels from 2nd hand sources, since I know they will not see a penny from it's sale(this has been in effect since Metalica/RIAA took and killed Napster). Speaking of Metalica, you do know they have had a change of heart and are now embracing the P2P?? See, we are gaining more support every day as the RIAA and the Washington hoard are losing, next election I will be working hard for the next President that will actually get elected, not bought and packaged by industry, be very scared the voter's are PISSED. Ok, I off my Soapbox now.
Btw, haven't I seen your RIAA Troll post's in P2P Groups?? -=ô;ö=-
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Mp3 Helps, the record industy hurt themselves
2003-07-02 19:29:30 anonymous2 [Reply | View]
I don't really appreciate cd's with only one or two good songs. Does RIAA really think I want to spend 20 dollars on 5 minutes of music? Even worse is a cd that has all the good songs from the previous four CD's that I already own and is marketed as a "new" work. What gives? I personally bought 5 cd's of an artist (who I won't name) because I liked some of the songs I found on Kazaa. I liked the first 3 of the five cd's but I almost never listen to them. How am I supposed to find out about music if it's not for P2P. I don't read music reviews and I'm certianly not about to buy something just because it is the latest thing. It has to be worth listening to before I'll get it.
Cheers.
