Weblog:   Orlowski Slams O'Reilly Emerging Technology Conference
Subject:   Blog Mafia?
Date:   2003-04-23 15:24:37
From:   anonymous2
Hmmmm. I am wondering if this issue has anything to do with the fact that of the 59 bloggers listed on O'Reilly Developer Weblogs, only ONE is female. Tunnel vision??
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  • Tim O'Reilly photo Blog Mafia?
    2003-04-23 19:26:50  Tim O'Reilly | O'Reilly AuthorO'Reilly Blogger [View]

    Another great troll, this one trying to bring up Shelley Powers' critique of Clay's "social software summit." Someone's having a good time trying to stir the pot here.
    • Blog Mafia?
      2003-04-24 18:16:28  anonymous2 [View]

      Really, Tim, do you dismiss all criticism as "another great troll" now?? BTW, I never got to Clay's "social software summit", and have not read Shelley Powers'critique. So, sorry, no cigar. Got a reference?

      As far as stirring the pot is concerned: Even your pot needs stirring now and again. Get used to it.

      What I find ironic is how much Orlowski's screed has irked you. When that kind of thing happens, I tend to figure that something hit home. While I like most of the O'Reilly Assoc. crowd, sometimes people seem to get a little full of themselves.

      Yes, I'm in a bad mood. I was supposed to come to ETC for the Expo and my work wouldn't let me. *pout* Also, I'm posting anonymously because I don't want to bother with signing up and logging in.

      Besides, you have a tendency to quote people on your site and in your blog without notice or the courtesy of a link back. While this is not illegal, it is discourteous. At least posting anonymously I won't expect anything of the sort.
  • Blog Mafia?
    2003-04-24 08:48:35  Medievalist [View]

    First of all, there really aren't that many female technical bloggers.

    Secondly, as a woman, a blogger, and a technical worker, I would rather sex, race, religion, politics, etc. not be considered.

    I want good information. I don't care if it's provided by a monkey, as long as it's accurate and well written.

    Rather than whining, anonymously, why not suggest some appropriate additions?
    • Blog Mafia?
      2003-04-24 18:23:39  anonymous2 [View]

      So if you say it, it's intelligent commentary, but if I say it it's whining?? Feh.

      Female geek writer/bloggers: Tina Gasperson, Carla Schroder, just off the top of my head. Hell, I even blog, but seldom get read or commented on. But then again, I'm not famous, published, or even paid to write, so it doesn't count.

      The thing is that ORA is usually so good about seeking out new and interesting authors and viewpoints. Yet I don't see it in their blog collection. That's why I bring it up.
      • Tim O'Reilly photo Blog Mafia?
        2003-04-27 08:46:12  Tim O'Reilly | O'Reilly AuthorO'Reilly Blogger [View]

        "...yet I don't see it in their blog collection..."


        Here's the point: Unlike blogger or userland, which host tens or hundreds of thousands of blogs, oreillynet.com's blog collection consists of internal O'Reilly people, authors, and some outsiders who've asked if we could host their blogs. If they ask (nicely) and there's some relevance to the kind of content we cover, others can be included, but we don't seek out bloggers of either sex. Maybe you're right and we should be seeking out interesting bloggers and asking them to move to O'Reilly. But that seems a bit silly. If these people already have their own blogs, why would they want to move to our site? This is a distributed medium after all. Many of our good friends (part of the group that critics seem to think of as part of our "blog mafia") like Cory Doctorow or Doc Searls have their blogs elsewhere, and we like to read them wherever we find them. What's more, most of the oreillynet bloggers are (like me) only occasional bloggers, which is why we aggregate them into a combined flow. If you're a continuous blogger, you more likely want to have your own branded blog.


        I find myself really puzzled by this thread. We don't publish all the great authors either, yet no one accuses us of excluding the authors who choose to write for Addison-Wesley, or Peachpit, or the late lamented Wrox. Most of our books are written by men too, as the computer industry is a male-dominated industry, yet no one complains that we're sexist because we don't have more female authors. We don't make the sex of our contributors a litmus test, either for or against, and neither should the rest of you. We choose our authors and speakers on the strength of their ideas and their willingness to work with us. (We choose conference talks from those that are submitted to our RFP; only keynotes are usually invited talks.)


        I'll stand up to any company in the computer industry about creating opportunities for women. O'Reilly's staff is fairly evenly balanced between men and women. Three of the six top managers who report to me (my COO, my CFO, and my Associate Publisher) are women. And that's something you won't see in many companies in any industry, let alone the male-dominated computer industry.


        I also find the implication that we're somehow excluding women from our conferences to be rather bizarre. Yes, the number of women at the Emerging Technology Conference was dwarfed by the number of men -- but there were far more women than you'll find at almost any other technology conference. That's a comment on the state of our industry; it doesn't say anything about O'Reilly.

      • Blog Mafia?
        2003-06-09 17:08:53  anonymous2 [View]

        <ahem> Karlin Lillington - http://radio.weblogs.com/0103966/
  • Blog Mafia?
    2003-04-24 18:38:00  anonymous2 [View]

    as one attending the conference, it is very white and very male in demographics. one of the very few women there commented on it to me when I asked if she had seen anything interesting that day.

    on the price issue. O'Reilly is at best breaking even on this conference and possibly even losing money on it if the event is treated as a stand alone profit/lose event.
  • Blog Mafia?
    2003-04-27 07:31:12  anonymous2 [View]

    This is true, and problematic, though I can't imagine it's maliciously intended - I would guess it's something O'Reilly is aware of and trying to address. Maybe the question is how we can help bring talented female techies/bloggers to O'Reilly's attention?

    Of course, Orlowski isn't helping any: "and wife" is a talented and brilliant woman in her own right, despite his dismissive description.

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