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• I agree too, but not with you
  2003-01-16 08:10:48  mentata [View]
  
  
  First, there is no ultimately. Just like every other technique, Java and .Net will someday be replaced with the next big thing and rest in historical obscurity alongside MS-DOS, COBOL, and the Commodore 64.
  
  Second, it won't be programmers using J2EE and .Net to deliver web services in the future, it will be secretaries. That's the destination.
  
  Third, it's pretty adolescent for a Microsofty to attack the unix cum linux community as non-programmers. I imagine you're bitter because all your past efforts with "high-level paradigms" like batch scripts, visual basic, and active server pages didn't make you a millionaire.
  
  No matter how you do it, if you work with computers you'll have to accept the fact that all your knowledge, books, code, and skills will eventually be dust in the wind. Code isn't truth, it's technique. Beauty is in the abstractions, but even that is contingent on the platforms of today. If you want something eternal, I recommend becoming a mathematician.
  
• I agree too, but not with you
  2003-01-21 06:58:39  lteti [View]
  
  
  You are living in a dream world if you think either Java or .NET are targeted at secretaries. As for me, I've used lots of languages to develop lots of commercial software, none of which runs on unix. I make a very good living at it. In my experience the more delirious the linux devotee the less actual coding (not scripting) background there is. Consider this: reading code you didn't write is hard work. Learn C and then try it.
• secretaries writing web services
  2003-01-22 09:56:51  mentata [View]
  
  
  No, the secretaries won't be hand-coding Java or C#. My point is that, through IDE's, wizards, and various other tools, they will be generating complex applications like putting lego blocks together.
  
  As for your attack on my coding skills, I've learned C and used it back in the days when it was a good idea. Here are some other compiled languages I've used:
  
  Java, C++, Pascal, Ada, Ada 95, Fortran, COBOL, Lisp, Scheme, and PL/SQL
  
  I've tried them all, my friend. I choose Linux because it's best of breed. Who's delirious now?
• I agree too, but not with you
  2003-01-19 18:32:57  anonymous2 [View]
  
  
  "Code isn't truth, it's technique. Beauty is in the abstractions, but even that is contingent on the platforms of today. If you want something eternal, I recommend becoming a mathematician."
  
  That says it all. Everybody, look back over the last 20 years. What "cool" software/technology is still being touted as great? We could all still be writing in COBOL and it would get the job done but it's not cool enough for us. I have gone from COBOL to xbase to C++ to COM to Java now to .NET in the last 15 years and I do that to keep working, not because I think that one technolgoy is much better than the next. Granted some advances make things easy or faster but overall the basic principal of mathematics when applied to comptuer science has not changed and probably never will. Read Donald Kunth's trilogy.