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Subject:   Re: Apple Laptop Keyboards Unsuitable for Unix Users
Date:   2002-12-20 09:57:50
From:   anonymous2
1. ADB? Wrongo. Very very big error. They're not ADB. Apple hasn't used ADB in years. Catch up.

2. "Broken"? Unless the keys don't actually work, you're just making stuff up. They're designed a certain way and they operate exactly that way. Ergo: not broken. Just not how you (1 person compared to the millions of Mac users) would like them placed.

3. And what about all the thousands of people who use both a Unix system and a Windows or Mac desktop? Linux users, with *nix on a normal, everyday, desktop with a normal, everyday, standard, non-broken, QWERTY keyboards. Somehow they manage to cope. If you can't handle a standard QWERTY keyboard, I think you have big problems.

4. Need? Hardly. You need air, you need water. You need to get over this Control key thing. Admit it, it's an affectation. "I'm a high-powered, advanced Unix user and I don't to slum it". Yes it's a "want". Most definitely a "want". Nobody else has asked for it. I've never heard of anyone complaining about this in the 10 years I've been doing Mac support and development.

5. "Purposely ignoring". That's a load of rubbish if ever I've heard it. I'd even doubt you have been having interactions with an Apple employee in any country, quite frankly, and even if you have, why should they come up with a special keyboard just for you? Apple has been going after Unix developers and users with great gusto. Have a look around Java and Unix conferences some day. iBooks and TiBooks everywhere.

6. Have a look at a typewriter some day. Look where the caps lock key is. Yup, right where it is on Apple's laptops. If you're used to the caps lock being somewhere else, you're used to a non-standard layout.

Have you even spent any real time with a TiBook or iBook? I don't mean 10 minutes, I mean a couple of days. A week?

Control key in the wrong place. Geesh. Find a real problem. All us lowly Mac and Unix users who maintain less-than-God status are perfectly happy with our Control keys where they are.

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  • Re: Apple Laptop Keyboards Unsuitable for Unix Users
    2004-04-02 23:27:30  spike_s [View]

    Actually, I'm formerly with AppleCare Tech Support's Powerbook, PowerMac, and Service Provider support groups, and yes, the current Powerbooks including the Aluminum models all use ADB keyboards, it'd be nice if the design got updated to a USB one like most notebook manufacturers use now on the PC side of things, however USB keyboards are not cheap, even for desktops it seems. I can't find one for under $30, while I can readily find PS/2 ones for like $14 new. The original thread poster was very much in the know. uControl is THE utility for remapping USB keyboards from OS X. What I'd like to see really would be a powerbook with more than one trackpad button, since the circuitry is already there but not being used, it's an off the shelf part. Even putting a texture on the trackpad, like Toshiba has done for the scroll area on the right (which is supported, again, if you have uControl) would be nice. But alas, it's the Steve-effect, insulting us, these are things that are niceties like the etched glowing keycaps on some of the Powerbooks. It really is a shame when anonymous posters go on in threaded discussions like this trying to be condescending. Being able to remap a keyboard isn't about using a non-standard layout at all, it's about being able to use the system your own personal way. I know many Mac users who put everything on their desktop, does OS X support this? Yes, but it gently nudges you towards using the folders in your home directory. Apple just needs some gentle nudging. Steve listened when folks told him that the iMac "hockey-puck" style mouse really wasn't doing it for them, now we have Apple Pro Mouse, in 2 styles and 2 colors. Apple has to see a direct need to modify their product in a way that users will benefit. USB keyboards won't happen on Powerbook and iBook products until they are as cheap as or cheaper than sticking with the current ADB design. Then it's the engineers advantage, not just cost savings for the customer.