Article:		How to End Wars Between Testers and Programmers
Subject:		And this has what to do with Macs?
Date:		2005-07-08 23:02:44
From:		iconara
Although it is an interesting subject, I cannot stop myself from thinking why the article was published on MacDevCenter, O'Reilly has a broad portfolio of sites in the O'ReillyNet, surely this belongs somewhere else? MacDevCenter seems to me to have lost it's focus, not very much "Mac" and very little "Dev" anymore.

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• And this has what to do with Macs?
  2005-07-10 11:06:03  macartisan [View]
  
  
  Although it is an interesting subject, I cannot stop myself from thinking why the article was published on MacDevCenter, O'Reilly has a broad portfolio of sites in the O'ReillyNet, surely this belongs somewhere else?"
  
  

  • Have we as Mac developers, testers or designers been sprinkled with some kind of Magic Immunity Dust?
  • Are our projects never susceptible to shortsightedness and petty squabbling?
  • Do our applications grow magically out of the ground without error?

  
  
  The plain fact of the matter is that creating software is a human activity, and gaining a few insights into how groups of humans interact will help you create better software on any platform.
  
  More broadly, rejecting advice that doesn't apply to you today is a good way to run into trouble tomorrow. A programmer or tester who isn't interested in leading a big project -- becoming a project manager, in other words -- is always going to be dancing to someone else's tune.

• RE: And this has what to do with Macs?
  2005-07-09 09:05:29  Derrick Story | [View]
  
  
  Why would Mac developers be less interested in project management than Java programmers (for example)? Granted, this article is "testing the water" to see if the Mac DevCenter audience wants these types of pieces. As with the previous poster, I think I can safely say that you do not. Fair enough.
  
  As for your "not very much "Mac" and very little "Dev"" comment, I think if you scroll down the column of articles on the home page, you'll see that's just not true.
• RE: And this has what to do with Macs?
  2005-07-11 04:03:20  jimothy [View]
  
  
  If I'm understanding things correctly, it's not that Mac developers wouldn't be interested in this sort of article, but that non-Mac developers, who would also benefit, would likely miss the article because either they didn't see it at all, or that they dismiss it as Mac-specific article, so they don't read it.
  
  Thank you for bringing this article to us. I'm sure there are plenty of non-Mac types would would also enjoy reading it.
• RE: And this has what to do with Macs?
  2005-07-10 05:06:04  iconara [View]
  
  
  but, fair enough, there's a lot of mac in there.
• RE: And this has what to do with Macs?
  2005-07-10 04:51:56  iconara [View]
  
  
  I'm not saying that we would be less interested, just that this isn't a mac topic, it's much broader than that. Had it been in the WindowsDevCenter I would most likely not have read it, since I wouldn't have seen it, or if I had, guessed that it had something to do with Windows.
  
  On the dev-note: you mean "Inside Odeo", "Music Gadgets", "Going to the movies...", "Tweaking Tiger Mail", "Syncing iTunes", "Introduction to Tiger terminal, pt2", "Ten Powerpoint tips", seven of the last ten articles on MacDevCenter? Not very much dev there, wouldn't you say? As for the other three, one is this article, and the two other are more or less dev.