Article:		Memory Management in Objective-C
Subject:		Where is the folklore
Date:		2001-08-01 20:54:55
From:		canyonrat
Response to: Object Semantics
ObjC hasn't really been used by enough people for long enough to have its folklore published yet. That's OK. The books that capture the spirit and the conventions of any development system are distilled from news groups and mailing lists. You can always go to the source. Stroustrup suggests that if you are seriously using any language, you should subscribe to at least two news groups/mailing lists dedicated to it. I think that's good advice. For ObjC the best candidates seem to be: cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com and macosx-dev@omnigroup.com You can learn a lot just lurking. But do ask questions. The folks are friendly and helpful.

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• Where is the folklore
  2001-08-02 14:21:24  psheldon [View]
  
  
  Thank you. I am very curious about these candidates, especially omnigroup's. They were involved in os x translations of the game quake and have uncommented game frameworks.
  
  I really like the newsgroup thread structure so that I would not appear intrusive and also could choose what to read . Do these have thread structure ?
  From superficially looking at them being e mail addresses I write to, I am sorry that cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com and macosx-dev@omnigroup.com don't seem to have this thread structure.
  Perhaps, however, I write these e mail addresses to join the list ? Yet I might like to see that the lists supply a thread structure.
  
  Do e mails there work like yahoo e groups and appear on a web page like this forum with threads.
  
  Do they put my on some sort of local-computer group list for my news reader (newswatcher, incidentally).
  
  Looking at my isp's group list, I searched objective and found objective c.
  comp.lang.objective-c
  This was the only newswatcher group I found that seemed relevant.
  
• cocoa-dev with browser-nomail option
  2001-08-02 21:24:14  psheldon [View]
  
  
  In the FAQ about the list that the e mail address, cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com, writes to, Apple indicates you can have a nomail option.
  http://www.lists.apple.com/cgi-bin/mwf/topic_show.pl?id=46
  Apple's list further offers other less intrusive mail options such as receive digest once a day rather than individual mails.
  FAQ also indicated people actually didn't want to use newsservers :
  http://www.lists.apple.com/cgi-bin/mwf/topic_show.pl?id=47
  
  Apple writes :
  http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/cocoa-dev
  "The archives are not currently searchable. We're working on adding a search engine to the archives, but don't yet have a date that it'll be functional. "
  so the list only has "human memory" now.
  
  I am ever curious about Apple's knowledge navigation improvements.
• Where is the folklore
  2001-08-02 20:46:40  canyonrat [View]
  
  
  I should have given the web address of those lists. Cocoa-dev is at:
  http://lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/cocoa-dev
  macosx-dev is at:
  http://www.omnigroup.com/community/developer/mailinglists/macosx-dev/
  
  Threading is really done in the reader and it's easier to thread a news group than a mailing lit so many mailers don't thread. I tend to use Entourage because it threads both news groups and mailing lists.
  
  If you don't have a threading mail program, both of the above lists let you read threads on the web.
  
  comp.lang.objective-c has some good discussions but it's more oriented to people porting and extending the ObjC language and not just to Mac programmers.
• thanks, checked omnigroup (nomail?)
  2001-08-02 21:40:48  psheldon [View]
  
  
  Interesting that you can have a threading mail program, but more interesting is that the list can observe threads in archives through a browser.
  Since I couldn't find the FAQ, I want to ask confirmation does omnigroup have a nomail option as well?
• thanks, checked omnigroup (nomail?)
  2001-08-03 07:29:38  canyonrat [View]
  
  
  I think you can do this by subscribing and then turning on the "nomail" option. That may disable your ability to send to the list, though.