Article:		Power Up Internet Explorer with Three Shells
Subject:		Perhaps
Date:		2004-03-24 15:14:12
From:		threedaysdwn
Response to: why bother
Perhaps because Firefox doesn't support real-world web standards, has a laughable (and headache-inducing, with the default config file) rendering engine, and thus fails to render a great many web pages correctly? Sure, Firefox is slowly copying many of the features long offered by Avant (as is everyone else... including Safari and Konqueror)... things like tabbing, pop-up and ad blocking, etc. But Firefox doesn't even do those things well. It's pop-up blocker is worthless. Unless Mozilla/Firefox cleans up its act, most users will continue to use the best browsers for their platform... IE (or a variant like Avant) on Windows, Safari on the Mac, and Konqueror on most anything else.

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• Perhaps
  2004-06-30 11:22:37  Zach [View]
  
  
  Perhaps because Firefox doesn't support real-world web standards
  
  Firefox is getting better, Opera doesnt come close. Who cares about web standards somebody made up? I only care about the ones in use, not what is on the ever exciting pages of some self appointed guardiens of making sure that IE is doesnt dominant.
  
  Personally, life would be a heck of a lot nicer if the other browsers would go away and all we where left with is the IE Browser and Alternates. For every hour I spend designing a page, a complete complex page that is, I spend up to four trying to get it to work in Netscape and variations, and 12 trying to get it to work in Opera.
  
  While that has more to do with the fact that I think IE first when scripting, the fact is that why should anyone really care about a limited percentage of the population when catering to them takes up way more time than it does to cater to the majority. I have very standard pages for most of my sites, and the percentage of IE browsers runs from 96-98 percent. Opera is hardly seen (and I check with more than just the UA), and Netscape and offshoots amount to less than one percent. But that tiny percent can cost me a weeks on production.
  
  Personally, I dont even bother with Opera anymore, they dont support invisible iframes from what I can tell, and with out that they are useless to me.

• Perhaps
  2004-03-24 15:31:33  voodootikigod [View]
  
  
  What rock did you climb out from underneath that you have the notion that a 3 year old stale browser would have better web standards support than a fresh, constantly updated browser?
  
  three words for you: BOX MODEL HACK if you don't understand look it up.
  
  I have never used Avant, nor do I follow it, but to make a statement such as copying many of the features long offered by Avant you must be willing to provide some back up to that statement, because I am pretty sure it was not the first (thus implying its own copying).
  
  Finally, even if you utilize one of these add-ons, you still deal with the bloat, the problems, the random crashes, and all the other good things IE represents. Mozilla/Firebird you start in a clean, isolated, and updated application.
• Perhaps
  2005-06-04 08:13:12  Zach [View]
  
  
  >>>three words for you: BOX MODEL HACK
  >>>if you don't understand look it up.
  
  
  Box Model Hack, wow, powerfull who cares you got there.
  
  You obviously dont get the point. I have never even glanced at any of the CSS hacks for IE because I have no need for them. I never have had a problem getting what I want done, exactly how I want it done in IE - to the pixel.
  
  When overwhelming majority do it one way - thats the standard, not what is written by someone that does not even make a browser. I do not care if you can point out twelve thousand browsers that are perfectly standards compliant, and point out one that is not, IE. -- Cause I can show you 930 windows users that use IE for every 70 windows users that you show me that doesnt. - and since Windows owns a 95 percent + market share - I am very happy targeting 93 percent of the users that 95 percent of the world uses.
  
  You give me that, and you can have the rest for all I care.