Article:		A Look at the Eclipse IDE
Subject:		Fascinating article
Date:		2003-11-15 14:33:07
From:		anonymous2
Response to: Fascinating article
Eclipse is too slow, working with other people on a team using various platforms and eclipse causes some headaches when we use Junit, no GUI tools, did I mention slow? I prefer IDEA, JBuilder X, JDeveloper, and/or emacs.

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• Fascinating article
  2003-11-16 21:41:09  anonymous2 [Reply | View]
  
  
  Hmm,
  I don't think this reflects most people's perspective. I think if I read between the lines her e you're most likely using some form of Linux and perhaps one of the non-mainstream releases at that which could be your issue.
  
  Eclipse has made me so productive that I view Java as a scripting language these days.
  
  It has built in support of ant and junit, so I'm not sure what compliant of junit was.
  
  Also now there's the Rich Client Project as a subproject of 3.0, which will make it easier for you to write GUI apps in SWT. Yeah, Swing is better than it was, but it's still way too hard to write good performing applications in it. Thus SWT kicks Swing's ass in that area -- I'm not sure if it's that much easier to write in, but it's a heck of a lot easier to get nicer applications with it. Without SWT, .NET wins hands-down.
  
  Finally you can get a nice J2EE dev enivornment for VERY cheap -- www.myeclipseide.com (only $30 US).
  
  So I think most of the complaining on Eclipse is pedantic and not really constructive.
  
  I use to use Vim (well I still do -- even on Windows), but Eclipse doubles/triples my productivity. Enough said.
  
  Mark
  
• Fascinating article
  2003-11-19 21:13:30  anonymous2 [Reply | View]
  
  
  I wish I could feel the way you do about Eclipse.
  I downloaded and then checked out the doc, it's out of date, for the previous release.
  
  My problem with Netbeans, is they can't seem to build a .jar file successfully with the tutorial project.
  
  I've just downloaded JDeveloper from Oracle.
  Code completion works. The documentation matches the release. Debugging works. It's free but they also would like you to buy it for $995, to get support. Ouch.
  
  Once an app is loaded swing seems to work fine.
  Are we talking about that long pause between the click and the splash screen, the time Java takes to verify the .jar or class files? Hard to drop security from a Java application.
  My opinion is this is where the rep of Java being slow comes from.