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  Developer Notes from WWDC 2003
Subject:   price
Date:   2003-06-24 18:24:21
From:   anonymous2
Response to: price

People like you insulting my intelligence and level of computer use is the type of thing that makes me want to investigate Mac hardware even less. I may not require the shiniest new machines out there, but I'd hardly call myself a low-end consumer. Oh well... this is getting pointless.


Yes, I agree this is pointless. But here I go.


I have to use your statements. Sorry. It's not meant to be insulting. However, you stated you are not willing to spend more than 500 for a complete system.


Bottom line: you are not a customer Apple wants, if you are not willing to look at bang/buck. Likewise, it would be hard to get a real estate agent to return your calls if you won't go above a 300/mo. mortgage payment.


What does your 500 bring to Apple? Nothing recent. E-Bay may be a good place to start, though.


I want Apple to continue to allow me to get my work done fast (in terms of workflow), and enjoy it when I do work. I am willing to pay a little more (well, apparently over 1000 more than you) to make my work/play more pleasant. I will budget for it, just as I budget for other major purchases, that represent major outlets of my time.


No one was insulting your intelligence. You came to this site with, let's be honest, a ridiculous statement. 500 is bottom of the barrel with any vendor, much less Apple.


OK. My fingers are tired.

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  • price
    2003-06-25 18:21:20  anonymous2 [Reply | View]

    I also agree. $500 is bottom of the barrel, and this is with ANY vendor, PC or otherwise. I recently read an interview with the CEO of Gateway, and he was very bitter about the direction the PC market has taken in the last several years.

    He stated that at one time his company (and others) would typically sell a $2000 computer and make $300-$400. Now, they mostly sell $500 computers and struggle to make $40 off each computer.

    With hundreds of millions of dollars in ongoing operating costs, Gateway is taking a beating trying to keep things afloat with $40 here and there. It just doesn't work. In fact it has gotten so bad that Gateway is now going to be "expanding" into other household devices. For example their flat-screen TV did so well they are going to come out with several other models, and they're looking into video cameras, MP3 players, etc. (Sound familiar?)

    It's difficult to feel sorry for Gateway, since they are one of the companies most responsible for this rush to produce ever cheaper PC's. But that's not the point. The point is that even companies who helped create this business model are leaving it because it is simply not sustainable.

    People who complain about Apple charging too much for their computers or demanding too high of a margin are missing the point - Apple is only doing what every other PC maker on the planet wishes they COULD do. The only thing is that NONE of the other PC manufacturers has enough consumer loyalty to pull it off.

    Polls have shown time and time again that for the vast majority of PC users, there is very little brand loyalty. And this applies much more to the sub-$1000 market.

    Don't kid yourself. The CEO and founder of Gateway has made it clear that he would go for Apple type margins in a New York minute if his company could get away with it, but he knows that he can't. Do you think it's any different at Dell or Acer. No way.

    You are not going to see a $400 Mac anytime soon, if ever, because Apple has no interest in trying to cover billion dollar operating budgets with $30 per machine profits. Does this make Apple fundamentally different than other PC makers? Only in the sense that Apple has enough consumer loyalty that they CAN DO THIS.

    I have been using Macs since the early 90's. I spend all day on the thing, and I bill out tens of thousands of dollars a year on it. Would I trade the Apple quality and reliability in order to save a few hundreds bucks one time?

    Hell no.
  • price
    2003-06-25 11:06:19  anonymous2 [Reply | View]

    I agree completely. One of the more salient comparisons I've read was that in the industry Apple/OS X is a Porsche while Intel/Windows is any GM make of automobile. Yes, both cars will get you from point A to B but just about everyone knows why a Porsche is better than the Pinto (from the above comment). Same comparison here: $500 oem pieced together everything-on-the-motherboard computer or a well engineered $3000 Apple.