Article:		Objective-C: Dynamite!
Subject:		Interesting. But practical?
Date:		2003-04-29 10:47:08
From:		anonymous2
There are a lot of programming languages, each with their adherents and benefits. But for me, the most important question is "what can I do with it?" Suppose I wanted to try out Objective-C; how could I do it? I use Windows, and Objective-C is not available from Visual Studio. I suppose I could use gcc and WinMG or something, but can I actually make usable desktop applications with it? What kind of Objective-C toolkits are available for Windows development? Are there source code repositories? If I run into problems, are there newsgroups or web sites I can get answers? To me, the most important feature of a language is how fast I can make a complete, working application. C++ may not be the best programming language, but it is well-supported by companies and enthusiasts. There is a wealth of existing C++ code and solutions. I can make a working desktop C++ application in minutes. Can I do that with Objective-C?

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• Interesting. But practical?
  2003-05-07 08:52:57  anonymous2 [View]
  
  
  Hi,
  
  I used to teach what you use - until I got sick and tired of it. Your "working desktop C++ application" - I won't give much for it, and you know why.
  
  Sorry, but asking how you can try out Objective-C because all you have is WINDOWS is about as lame as it gets.
  
  As for whether you can make useable desktop applications - I really don't know. Why don't you ask Adobe?
  
  And finally: if I saw "how fast" in one of my classes, I would send you home. It is never "how fast" - it's "how well".
  
  Sorry again, but it's people like you who are ruining the software industry.
  
  You get plenty of speed with Cocoa. Just don't walk in the door with a Microsoft attitude. They might send you to the cellar and lock the door.

• Interesting. But practical?
  2003-04-30 04:37:54  anonymous2 [View]
  
  
  Sure, check out the 13-line 20min word processor example.
  
  http://www.stone.com/dev/sWord/Introduction.html
  

• Interesting. But practical?
  2003-04-29 17:04:35  anonymous2 [View]
  
  
  You should take a look on GNUstep, then. It's a LGPL implementation of the OpenStep API (like Cocoa).
  
  http://www.gnustep.org
  
  there is even an installer for windows, but only for the non-graphical stuff (Foundation), as the graphical part of GNUstep is still considered as alpha on Windows (but it works fine on X11).
  
  ftp://ftp.gnustep.org/pub/gnustep/windows/Install-GNUstep-Development-Environment-0.4.1.exe